The second law of thermodynamics and evolution

[king krish]

So, how do you end up getting that whopper foisted on you anyway? Trawling the interwebs, or was this man cited as an authority by someone you know?

i didnot understand any thing
i hope u use simple words that i can understand :-D

[Alex K]

-I've read that the law contradicts the evolution
-so i hope some one explain it for me
-i hope someone share links that explain it ‎ ‏
-is there any videos about the second law of thermodynamics and evolution

To paraphrase a stupid creationist - for evolution to work on a global scale, you'd need some sort of huge source of energy to overcome the increase in entropy which results from all natural processes.

Duh - If you look up on a sunny day, and your eyes hurt, you've found it.

In other words, this argument is spectacularly dumb if you know a bit about thermodynamics. Someone must have come up with it, and ever since creationists parrot it to bamboozle people who are not sure what the second law says.

But let me explain:

Energy is only useful for doing stuff if you have a differential: more energy in one place than in another. In going from one place to the other to equalize, it can do work. Take a water dam. You can only make electricity if the river beyond the dam is lower than the lake behind it. Entropy is one of the quantities one can define in physics that gives you a notion of how much everything is spread out already. If Entropy is maximal, everything is as spread out as possible and no processes (i.e. conversion of energy) are possible anymore.

The second law states (simply speaking) that entropy always increases towards this point. Why is this interesting for creationists?

Entropy is also a measure for order, and hence of information content (see Shannon entropy) - and DNA gaining information in evolution they think somehow violates this principle of ever increasing entropy and must hence be false.

In reality all you need is an (possibly absolutely minuscule ) energy source which locally in our organism decreases entropy (and hence allows for order to arise such as forming an organism) while entropy still strictly increases(*) if you take everything combined including the source into account. The entropy corresponding to the information in the DNA itself though is so tiny that it is completely negligible in the bigger picture of the energy flow that makes life.

So all in all, it's a profoundly silly "argument" to baffle unprepared people with sciency slang.

(*) for sufficiently large systems, on average

[abaris]

i didnot understand any thing
i hope u use simple words that i can understand :-D

In simple words - why did you come up with that Henry Morris guy?

How did you find him?

[JuliaL]

i didnot understand any thing
i hope u use simple words that i can understand :-D

Simple words
Creationist says everything always breaking down.
Not crazy person says everything not always breaking down. JUST LOOK!

[Exian]

Addy Pross writes about an instance of chaos creating order that's pretty easy to grasp. When ants are digging there underground tunnels, all of their work and intention is going towards removing the dirt. In the process of discarding the dirt, they create a pretty ordered anthill. He used this as an analogy with the formation of micelles.

[king krish]

i didnot understand any thing
i hope u use simple words that i can understand :-D

In simple words - why did you come up with that Henry Morris guy?

How did you find him?

on an arab forum "arab atheists network"

[The Grand Nudger]

Are muslims ever going to get tired of copying the christians?

[king krish]

Are muslims ever going to get tired of copying the christians?

oh i can see that the news reached u

[Minimalist]

But the earth is not a closed system. Energy from the sun continues to enter our atmosphere, thus there is a continuous supply of new energy.

Such energy never reaches the brain cases of creatards.

[abaris]

on an arab forum "arab atheists network"

They certainly use the wrong sources to put it mildly.