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Did Islam order to kill innocent people?
January 2, 2015 at 5:06 pm
The answer in the first verce ordered to fight in quran
2:190
((( Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors )))
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RE: Did Islam order to kill innocent people?
January 2, 2015 at 5:10 pm
Meh, I can see that being a call to defense.
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RE: Did Islam order to kill innocent people?
January 2, 2015 at 5:12 pm
If they fight you but do not transgress, doesn't that mean that the cause they fight for is righteous?
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RE: Did Islam order to kill innocent people?
January 2, 2015 at 5:14 pm
Nah, it's just an unfamilar grouping in english. It's a proscriptive statement to a singular audience.
"Do this...but don't do it the wrong way, god doesn't like people who do it the wrong way"
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RE: Did Islam order to kill innocent people?
January 2, 2015 at 5:15 pm
Oh, I get it. Kill them, but be righteous about it. Verrry slick. I kinda like it.
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RE: Did Islam order to kill innocent people?
January 2, 2015 at 6:07 pm
(January 2, 2015 at 5:06 pm)king krish Wrote: The answer in the first verce ordered to fight in quran
2:190
((( Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors )))
Methinks Allah writes in lisp (Lost In Stupid Parentheses)
I'm pretty sure that Allah is in the back row having told the faithful to stand "in the way" so they get tolchocked first. "Do not transgress" just means be righteous dudes while spreading Allah's love and good wishes.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat?
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RE: Did Islam order to kill innocent people?
January 2, 2015 at 9:26 pm
(This post was last modified: January 2, 2015 at 10:24 pm by mralstoner.)
Sahih al-Bukhari 6924—Muhammad said: “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: La ilaha illallah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah), and whoever said La ilaha illahllah, Allah will save his property and his life from me.”
Sahih Muslim 30—Muhammad said: “I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.”
Does that sound like fighting in self defense, or fighting until everyone submits to Islam?
But it gets worse ...
Sunan An-Nasa’i 3099—The Prophet said: “Whoever dies without having fought or having thought of fighting, he dies on one of the branches of hypocrisy.”
Sunan Ibn Majah 2763—The Messenger of Allah said: “Whoever meets Allah with no mark on him (as a result of fighting) in His cause, he will meet Him with a deficiency.”
Yep, Allah will not be happy if he finds you with no scars from fighting.
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Three Stages of Jihad.
Jihad proceeds in stages. Stage One: Stealth Jihad. Stage Two: Defensive Jihad. Stage Three: Offensive Jihad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERou_Q5l9Gw
Qur'an in Context 1: "Fight Those Who Do Not Believe in Allah" (9:29)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHmsL0p6jnI
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