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RE: Pro-choice - I need help with arguments
January 8, 2015 at 4:10 pm
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Erm, I think the first sentence of that article is the most important.
Quote:No clinical procedure is entirely risk-free, but abortion poses few risks to a woman's physical health, particularly when carried out during the first 12 weeks of pregnancy.
(not to mention the article doesn't list any sort of mortality rates or even "life-threatening" rates, just risks that might arise)
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RE: Pro-choice - I need help with arguments
January 8, 2015 at 4:19 pm
(January 8, 2015 at 1:47 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: (January 8, 2015 at 12:40 pm)pocaracas Wrote: My dad, recently, had to give permission for the doctor to run some test on him... I think it was an MRI.
An adult must give consent for particular medical procedures.
An abortion is, ultimately, a potentially life-threatening procedure and should then be performed with consent by an adult... whatever "adult" means in your neck of the woods (yeah, I know you're in my neck, blackout... and I know giving birth is also a potentially life-threatening procedure).
That's just it. Informed consent requires an adult. A teenager is a child, in the eyes of the law, so the parent/caregiver is the one that gives consent.
It's the same thing, if the child requires an MRI, chemotherapy, biopsy, tonsil removal, etc, etc, etc...
Of course, this brings up situations where the teen wants to abort, but the parent is morally against abortion, so refuses to give consent... where has anyone ever heard of a parent being morally against tonsil removal?
I don't know how to sort these out... Perhaps some counseling of the parent could steer him/her towards meeting with their own child's desire not to have a baby, but it's far from guaranteed.
On the other hand, if teen abortion is allowed without any parental consent... what is foreseeable? More reckless behaviors on an already reckless enough demographic?
Do we, as a society, want out kids to have sex and abort without adult supervision/consent? The first part is already happening, I guess...
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Googling "abortion life threatening", "can abortion kill the pregnant woman", and similar search terms, the only information I could find that abortion can be life-threatening was on anti-choice websites. Can you provide a medical link, poca?
I think it can be life threatening but I remember reading on a pro-choice article that it is merely by less than 1%, which is the same for other minimal non dangerous surgical procedures..
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RE: Pro-choice - I need help with arguments
January 8, 2015 at 4:25 pm
Even if it's life-threatening, I'm pretty sure you're more likely to die in childbirth than to die from having an abortion, so what's the conversation? You stand the risk of death either way.
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RE: Pro-choice - I need help with arguments
January 8, 2015 at 8:08 pm
(January 8, 2015 at 4:25 pm)NuclearJaguar Wrote: Even if it's life-threatening, I'm pretty sure you're more likely to die in childbirth than to die from having an abortion, so what's the conversation? You stand the risk of death either way.
I say abort the little guy. You gotta keep yourself alive.
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RE: Pro-choice - I need help with arguments
January 8, 2015 at 8:14 pm
(January 8, 2015 at 1:23 pm)NuclearJaguar Wrote: "Pro-life" should be for the already living, not for the unconscious bundle of cells.
And yet, in practice, it is only for the unconscious bundle of cells. People who identify as "pro-life" are the same people who vote for policies that starve children, deny them health care, and blow them up with drones in other countries.
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RE: Pro-choice - I need help with arguments
January 8, 2015 at 8:21 pm
(January 8, 2015 at 8:14 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: (January 8, 2015 at 1:23 pm)NuclearJaguar Wrote: "Pro-life" should be for the already living, not for the unconscious bundle of cells.
And yet, in practice, it is only for the unconscious bundle of cells. People who identify as "pro-life" are the same people who vote for policies that starve children, deny them health care, and blow them up with drones in other countries.
I agree its only cells it only a human when it comes out or when it is time for it to come out. Otherwise its just a mass of cells with a beating pulse. I am not for pro life because then what about rape victims they shouldn't keep a kid. Also its stepping on human rights a woman has a option whether see sees it fit or not is up to her and no one should dictate she should or should not have a child. Its her own choice and yet people are like pro life man you got to keep kids alive when its not human yet.
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