Can you make a God claim?

[fr0d0]

Silly apologetic arguments that deal with truth rather than absurd misrepresentations easily dismissed? No point at all. It's unoriginal and has been done to death a million times on the internet before. Present an original thought. Don't waste your time with regurgitation.

[robvalue]

Ok, right. Pick one thing from my list, one for starters, that you think I can't back up quoting the bible. One thing I said God did. I'm not going to do the whole list as that would take hours, so let's start with one and go from there. Pick your favourite.

[fr0d0]

You can't back it up. You can regurgitate some bullshit from the internet that won't stand up to scrutiny. If I'd seen that you'd posted an original thought worth challenging I'd be all over it Rob. As it is everything I've seen you claim is clichéd. Why waste time on it?

[robvalue]

So you won't pick a single thing from my list to challenge? I'm not going to get anything from the Internet, I'm going to quote the bible, nothing more. Is quoting the bible not enough to back up my claims about what the bible says? If you won't pick one and instead just insult me, I'll pick one.

[Grasshopper]

Well, I just addressed this in another thread, so I won't repeat it. But yeah, it's made up like the OT.

I'm guessing you didn't think logically putting yourself in the apostles shoes. I'm guessing you didn't read what i wrote. Would you make some story of a unicorn and spread it among the muslims just for fun unless you knew 100% that it was true?

[robvalue]

I read everything you said, I just believe you are mistaken. As you are chomping at the bit, I'll start you off with this. Richard carrier is one of the foremost and respected bible scholars, and here is his case. If you've watched that and want to dispute any of it, or want more evidence, I'll be happy to oblige. He knows a fuck more about all of this than you and me put together. It's an hour long video, so I understand it's a commitment. But if you're interested in objective assessments, you need to watch it all. Warning: he will also mock christianty. But it's not relevant to the facts.

http://youtu.be/DbTbEvFSSF8

[fr0d0]

So you won't pick a single thing from my list to challenge? I'm not going to get anything from the Internet, I'm going to quote the bible, nothing more. Is quoting the bible not enough to back up my claims about what the bible says? If you won't pick one and instead just insult me, I'll pick one.

I'm sure that you've had all of those supposed problems explained to you before Rob. I'm being straight with you... I'm bored to the back teeth with explaining all of those. Your OBJECTIONS are not original.

[robvalue]

OK man, if quoting the bible isn't enough proof to you of what the bible says, then I won't waste my time.

[fr0d0]

Quote them to yourself Rob. Then go on the internet and try to find the answers given. Not the answers that you want to hear, but those opposing your understanding and offering real explanation. There are many.

The bible doesn't contradict itself. People try to pervert it and twist it to say what it doesn't. That's what you're doing. Yes there are thousands of people doing the same as you out there. It's fashionable right now. People are even making a living at it. Crazy huh? Don't be a sheep. Make up your own mind.

[robvalue]

Blimey, I wasn't even claiming contradictions. I was just telling you what it says. You should read the bible sometime, and you can check all the things god does off my list as you go through. If you honestly believe god did not do any of those things on my list, then you have either not read the bible or you've mentally erased every bit you don't like.

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Well I'll quote one for starters anyhow, just for the fun of it huh.

Genesis 17:10-14
Verse Concepts
"This is My covenant, which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: every male among you shall be circumcised. "And you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be the sign of the covenant between Me and you. "And every male among you who is eight days old shall be circumcised throughout your generations, a servant who is born in the house or who is bought with money from any foreigner, who is not of your descendants. read more."A servant who is born in your house or who is bought with your money shall surely be circumcised; thus shall My covenant be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. "But an uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant."

God demands circumcision. If you are going to say this verse does not say god wants people circumcised, then I think we are done. I don't care about what group of people that was, or whether it still applies, my point is he demanded it at that time, from those people.