Can you make a God claim?

[fr0d0]

That's the message of the anti Christian Rob, not Christians. To me all of what you say there, and all of that which has become cliché: the skeptics annotated bible; is an obvious misrepresentation and very easily disproved one. It's like me blindly quoting bible verses at you. I'd rather hear original thoughts on the subject.

[Grasshopper]

Would you mind making a thread out of that? And I'll be there in an hour or 2

[robvalue]

A thread about how terrible Christianity is? Sure I could do that.

Why are you talking about the skeptics annotated bible frodo? I'm just talking about the bible. That is the character Yahweh. Are you saying I'm not accurately describing his actions in the book? I am starting to wonder if you have even read it.

[IATIA]

That's the message of the anti Christian Rob, not Christians.

Exactly. The christians are so deluded by their 'holy book' that they cannot and will not see it for what it is. According to the 'book', the god is so incompetent and impotent that it had to kill everything on the earth (woman, children, babies, kitty cats, bunnies, etc.) except for Noah, immediate family and a handful of animals to solve it's problem.

[Grasshopper]

A thread about how terrible Christianity is? Sure I could do that.

Why are you talking about the skeptics annotated bible frodo? I'm just talking about the bible. That is the character Yahweh. Are you saying I'm not accurately describing his actions in the book? I am starting to wonder if you have even read it.

I could say you're not saying what makes Christianity bad. You're trying to convince me that god is evil when I earlier made it clear that I take the good nature of jesus and his description of god and the latter books of the old testament in which god is described much more like jesus. I don't take Jewish fairy tales seriously and doubt most do. The books of Genesis to judges is inconsistent with the rest of the bible

Just . . . Make another thread

[robvalue]

Yes sir!

I agree the bible is a pile of shit, but you can't make the case that the church is teaching to not take it seriously. If stuff is bollocks, untrue and actually harmful rather than valuable, then the church could just take it out of the bible. But they refuse to do so because it is "gods word".

Just so you know, jesus was at best very loosely based on some preacher(s) around at the time, and almost his whole life story is mythical in nature: written after his death by non-eye witnesses. Jesus is a story, just as made up as the OT. And you may already agree with this but Christianity doesn't.

I'll make another thread in a while, I have to go polish my chainsaw a bit, eat some babies and swear at my ceiling.

[fr0d0]

Why are you talking about the skeptics annotated bible frodo? I'm just talking about the bible. That is the character Yahweh. Are you saying I'm not accurately describing his actions in the book? I am starting to wonder if you have even read it.

Because everything you said looks like the clichéd arguments from there. Yes I'm saying that those are vastly inaccurate observations. You've said elsewhere in the last couple of days that you see the Jews were contradicting their own belief. That's it precisely. They weren't. They made the observations and postulated this God. Prime attributes: love, light and spirit. Yet you read their book and conclude the opposite. Who is wrong? Non starter for me.

[robvalue]

Are you serious man? You want me to go and get references for every single thing I said about him, demonstrating that God did do those things, in the actual bible?

I can do that if you want. But if you're just gonna ignore them or explain them away with silly apologetic arguments then there's no point me even starting. If you think I'm making those things up, you have not read the bible.

[Grasshopper]

Yes sir!

I agree the bible is a pile of shit, but you can't make the case that the church is teaching to not take it seriously. If stuff is bollocks, untrue and actually harmful rather than valuable, then the church could just take it out of the bible. But they refuse to do so because it is "gods word".

Just so you know, jesus was at best very loosely based on some preacher(s) around at the time, and almost his whole life story is mythical in nature: written after his death by non-eye witnesses. Jesus is a story, just as made up as the OT. And you may already agree with this but Christianity doesn't.

I'll make another thread in a while, I have to go polish my chainsaw a bit, eat some babies and swear at my ceiling.

I answered this in another thread so I made myself clear. I don't believe Paul and the apostles made a fictional character up in the much populated Jerusalem in danger of getting beaten, whipped, threatened, hated, crucified, beheaded just so they could write letters to people teaching them a better way to live. You'd have to be idiots of the highest class. One or two "so called" disciples gone retarded? Sure. But not 70

[robvalue]

Well, I just addressed this in another thread, so I won't repeat it. But yeah, it's made up like the OT.