GC I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Please be clear.
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Can you make a God claim?
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Erm, no. No one has ever made a coherent definition of God that I have seen. All I hear is vague notions about what he did, what his powers are, and why he cannot be detected in any way at all.
Sorry but I think I'm done with you, I'm tired of not getting any answers ever. I really don't know why you're here, it's not to test your faith. Feel free to send me a private message.
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists. Index of useful threads and discussions Index of my best videos Quickstart guide to the forum  (January 8, 2015 at 4:00 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:(January 8, 2015 at 3:57 pm)Godschild Wrote: He want be the one spending eternity in hell now will He. Denial doesn't change a thing. You judging me on morals, Christian or not is laughable. Actually I think it's a shame that anyone spend eternity in hell, I hate the thought, if I wanted to gloat I wouldn't need to post for five years, but then you don't care to understand, do you.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
 (January 8, 2015 at 4:10 pm)Godschild Wrote:(January 8, 2015 at 4:00 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Well, as long as he doesn't bother providing any evidence, I don't believe I will be either. I'll be waiting for God to show me anything at all, if he cares so much about me and is such a good dude.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson (January 8, 2015 at 4:05 pm)robvalue Wrote: Erm, no. No one has ever made a coherent definition of God that I have seen. All I hear is vague notions about what he did, what his powers are, and why he cannot be detected in any way at all. My faith needs no testing and if it ever does that's a job for God. You are only wanting to back out because you can find no excuse to defend your need for absolute proof. GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
 (January 8, 2015 at 3:19 pm)robvalue Wrote: No, personal testimony is not evidence. Sorry. If that's all it took, anyone can just claim anything. You need to be able to demonstrate something repeatedly before its convincing to a sceptic. Multiple testimonies might be a starting point, but investigation is then needed.No one gave you authority to determine what is and is not evidence, and I don't care if you find it convincing. Quote:The claim someone loves you is not falsifiable. You could discover them behaving in ways that demonstrate they don't, like you find them cheating on you. I'm not talking about absolute truths here. I'm talking about having access to some sort of test or data.OK, now you acknowledge that a claim does not necessarily need to be falsifiable in order to be reasonably assessed. That's progress. Quote:Can anyone even define God in a coherent way? I don't think we even got that far. Or spirituality, ghosts, anything you like.Here's one dictionary definition: a supernatural being, who is worshipped as the controller of some part of the universe or some aspect of life in the world or is the personification of some force
Again..nobody is asking for absolute proof, you absolute twat.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson (January 8, 2015 at 4:12 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:(January 8, 2015 at 4:10 pm)Godschild Wrote: Denial doesn't change a thing. He allowed his precious Son to be nailed to a cross and suffer death. It' all you need and all you will receive. It's been plenty for billions, so I guess you're saying you're to good to accept what others find sufficient. GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
 RE: Can you make a God claim?
January 8, 2015 at 4:19 pm
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(January 8, 2015 at 4:10 pm)Godschild Wrote: Denial doesn't change a thing. So say 1.5 billion Muslims about all you misinformed Christians. Enjoy your eternity in Jahannam. Quote:Actually I think it's a shame that anyone spend eternity in hell, I hate the thought So, how can Heaven be a paradise for you, knowing for eternity that the vast majority of your fellow humans are suffering for eternity? Some of them may be friends and family. You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence. RE: Can you make a God claim?
January 8, 2015 at 4:19 pm
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I made a typo, the claim someone loves me is not unfalsifiable. There's plenty of things I would consider good evidence that someone does not love me.
No I don't make the standards of evidence, the scientific community does. They separate substantiated claims from made up stuff. Feel free to send me a private message.
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