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RE: Unbroken, and why I am sick of war movies.
January 10, 2015 at 11:11 am
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(January 10, 2015 at 9:40 am)Brian37 Wrote: I think gun death should be treated the same way, not to outlaw all gun ownership, but insist that if someone is that insistent on owning one, they should be required to go to a morgue and view the body of someone who died by gun, be it accident, domestic murder, suicide, crime or mass shooting. Yeah, sounds legit, but lets not limit this little gem to guns though. Get a teen into a room with some mangled bodies from the latest car crash. When you buy spoons we could view some bloated corpses, heart disease and all. Let's start a petition, you and I?
Course, I don't think it would be very difficult for people to meet this requirement...and I'm not sure what it's supposed to do or why it would matter....but if it means we get to put more regulations on the books and ignore the fact that our gun problem has to do with our failure to enforce -existing regulations-, I'm all for it! What could go wrong?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Unbroken, and why I am sick of war movies.
January 10, 2015 at 11:38 am
(January 10, 2015 at 11:11 am)Rhythm Wrote: (January 10, 2015 at 9:40 am)Brian37 Wrote: I think gun death should be treated the same way, not to outlaw all gun ownership, but insist that if someone is that insistent on owning one, they should be required to go to a morgue and view the body of someone who died by gun, be it accident, domestic murder, suicide, crime or mass shooting. Yeah, sounds legit, but lets not limit this little gem to guns though. Get a teen into a room with some mangled bodies from the latest car crash. When you buy spoons we could view some bloated corpses, heart disease and all. Let's start a petition, you and I?
Course, I don't think it would be very difficult for people to meet this requirement...and I'm not sure what it's supposed to do or why it would matter....but if it means we get to put more regulations on the books and ignore the fact that our gun problem has to do with our failure to enforce -existing regulations-, I'm all for it! What could go wrong?
Nice, spoken like a typical gun nutter. "Other bad shit happens so lets not do anything about this bad shit". Nope, not an argument.
No the reason we cannot enforce current laws, is that we also do not have better laws, and whatever new laws we do come up with, don't mean shit with a flooded gun market. It currently is just a game of whack a mole, and until the gun makers are held responsible for where their products end up, our current laws and or future laws won't mean shit.
Our amount of gun death, from both legal and illegal are a direct result of an industry that markets them like toys and hand them out like candy. I am sick of this bullshit argument. It is nothing more than worship of an object.
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RE: Unbroken, and why I am sick of war movies.
January 10, 2015 at 12:12 pm
If you really want to puke, go back and watch some WW2 films made during the war. Pure propaganda. Stuff like Gung Ho, Wake Island, Action in the North Atlantic, Destination Tokyo.
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RE: Unbroken, and why I am sick of war movies.
January 10, 2015 at 12:19 pm
(January 10, 2015 at 12:12 pm)Minimalist Wrote: If you really want to puke, go back and watch some WW2 films made during the war. Pure propaganda. Stuff like Gung Ho, Wake Island, Action in the North Atlantic, Destination Tokyo.
Or They were expendable.
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RE: Unbroken, and why I am sick of war movies.
January 10, 2015 at 12:24 pm
Another good example.
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RE: Unbroken, and why I am sick of war movies.
January 10, 2015 at 12:58 pm
(January 10, 2015 at 12:12 pm)Minimalist Wrote: If you really want to puke, go back and watch some WW2 films made during the war. Pure propaganda. Stuff like Gung Ho, Wake Island, Action in the North Atlantic, Destination Tokyo.
Sell a utopia like tribalism it is easy to dangle that carrot in front of humans and get them to kill for you.
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RE: Unbroken, and why I am sick of war movies.
January 10, 2015 at 1:10 pm
Gallipoli comes to mind as an example of a solid, anti-war movie.
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RE: Unbroken, and why I am sick of war movies.
January 10, 2015 at 1:15 pm
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I didn't think that overt prop pieces required a mention. They're pretty heinous.
@Brain..yeah, all or nothing, with you or against you. Here, I'll play a tune and you can dance to it. Perhaps you missed the not-so-hidden implication in my post...that maybe we ought to enforce any of the numerous existing regulations before putting our chips in with your hare-brained suggestion. I have no problem with regulation - in fact...I;m kind of fond of regulation. Seems like a good idea to me. It's just that your idea -doesn't-.
Take a walk with me, for a moment - to a place where one side pretends as if there are no decent gun laws and the other side, the very antithesis of what the former adheres to in every way pretends......as if there are no decent gun laws. Where the only thing on equal footing with the nutjobs on one side, are the nutjob suggestions of the other. The only thing you both agree on......is that you'd like to ignore prudent regulation in favor of your disparate fantasies. If one side were truly opposed to the others position, it's difficult to see why you both seem intent on making the discussion so convenient for each other. Take a shot of your own medicine and consider, just for a moment...that -you- are part of the problem...and not the solution.
Why is it that neither party seems to be interested in enforcing the law? There's more than a little bit of irony to be had here, if you take a moment to appreciate it. Before anyone pops in with a "both sides" remark....let me just make this very clear. I'm just about certain that there is only one side here - to which you are both necessary and appreciated contributors, even if you are unintentional collaborators. Your cartoon gun tycoon is laughing his ass all the way to the bank, if he exists. The position you oppose wins by default, on account of the stadium being empty when it's time to play ball. Just food for thought.
On a less irritating note, anyone read that excerpt? Thoughts?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Unbroken, and why I am sick of war movies.
January 10, 2015 at 1:22 pm
Ofc, Kubrick's "Full Metal Jacket" deserves a mention as far as anti war movies go.
I'm a big fan of Elem Klimov's "Come and See", which is a gem that a lot of people might not be familiar with. One of the most brutal portrayals of war ever.
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RE: Unbroken, and why I am sick of war movies.
January 10, 2015 at 1:29 pm
(January 10, 2015 at 1:15 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I didn't think that overt prop pieces required a mention. They're pretty heinous.
@Brain..yeah, all or nothing, with you or against you. Here, I'll play a tune and you can dance to it. Perhaps you missed the not-so-hidden implication in my post...that maybe we ought to enforce any of the numerous existing regulations before putting our chips in with your hare-brained suggestion. I have no problem with regulation - in fact...I;m kind of fond of regulation. Seems like a good idea to me. It's just that your idea -doesn't-.
Take a walk with me, for a moment - to a place where one side pretends as if there are no decent gun laws and the other side, the very antithesis of what the former adheres to in every way pretends......as if there are no decent gun laws. Where the only thing on equal footing with the nutjobs on one side, are the nutjob suggestions of the other. The only thing you both agree on......is that you'd like to ignore prudent regulation in favor of your disparate fantasies. If one side were truly opposed to the others position, it's difficult to see why you both seem intent on making the discussion so convenient for each other. Take a shot of your own medicine and consider, just for a moment...that -you- are part of the problem...and not the solution.
Why is it that neither party seems to be interested in enforcing the law? There's more than a little bit of irony to be had here, if you take a moment to appreciate it. Before anyone pops in with a "both sides" remark....let me just make this very clear. I'm just about certain that there is only one side here - to which you are both necessary and appreciated contributors, even if you are unintentional collaborators. Your cartoon gun tycoon is laughing his ass all the way to the bank, if he exists. The position you oppose wins by default, on account of the stadium being empty when it's time to play ball. Just food for thought.
On a less irritating note, anyone read that excerpt? Thoughts?
You show me where in any of my posts I said get rid of all guns. The all or nothing assholes are the makers and NRA.
The only "all or nothing" part I am insisting on is forcing jackass crybaby gun nutters to face that the satus quo is not working.
Guns are not fucking toys, and no one has any business having huge clips or military style riffles and the police would not have to be armed to the teeth if they did not have to fear idiots who treat an object like it is porn to masturbate over.
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