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RE: Atheism VS Christian Atheism?
January 14, 2015 at 9:44 pm
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It's an unfortunate moniker, but the poster clearly isn't a theist. He doesn't believe in gods-end of. He thinks that jesus was a teacher of "morals". 
There are so many splinters of this western tradition that they were bound to run out of academically coherent names at some point.
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RE: Atheism VS Christian Atheism?
January 14, 2015 at 10:11 pm
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(January 14, 2015 at 9:14 pm)IanHulett Wrote: (January 14, 2015 at 9:08 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Atheism is very simple. It means you don't believe in any gods. I don't know what christian atheism is, but if you're trying to say you're a christian that doesn't know if Yahweh/Jesus really exists, you're an agnostic theist.
No. I'm not saying I'm a Christian who doesn't know if Yahweh or Jesus really exists, I'm saying I'm a person who rejects the belief in a God or Gods(atheist) but prefer to see Jesus as a teacher of morals.
Christian Atheism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism
Works for me. The Jesus figure sets a pretty good example. I'd say anyone who follows that moral example, but does not believe Jesus was God, is on pretty good footing. In fact, even in the gospels, Jesus never claims to be God.
"I and the father are one" can be seen much like "we are all one." It doesn't literally mean the same person, it means there is an intrinsic connection-- like a husband and wife being one.
(January 14, 2015 at 9:43 pm)dyresand Wrote: (January 14, 2015 at 9:35 pm)Rhythm Wrote: It's not muddy at all. 
I mean come on Christian atheism.. i mean by that your defeating your own purpose as a believer. Better off with being agnostic just saying.
"Christian" doesn't have to be a belif or a faith system. It is sufficient just to associate oneself in any way with the Christ story. However, I'd argue a Christian moralist atheist isn't really taking a religious position at all-- any more than a Marxist is making communism a religion.
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RE: Atheism VS Christian Atheism?
January 14, 2015 at 10:13 pm
Wait, but, without the god myth, wasn't Jesus just some random dude?
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RE: Atheism VS Christian Atheism?
January 14, 2015 at 10:14 pm
The best things Jesus said were not unique to the bible, and he still worshiped Yahweh, so I still wouldn't put the guy on a pedestal.
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RE: Atheism VS Christian Atheism?
January 14, 2015 at 10:16 pm
(January 14, 2015 at 10:13 pm)DeadChannel Wrote: Wait, but, without the god myth, wasn't Jesus just some random dude?
Basically, yes.
If pinkie pie isn't real, then how do you explain the existence of ponies, huh? If ponies are real, then that's proof that Pinkie Pie is real. Checkmate, christians! 
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RE: Atheism VS Christian Atheism?
January 14, 2015 at 10:16 pm
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(January 14, 2015 at 10:11 pm)bennyboy Wrote: "Christian" doesn't have to be a belif or a faith system. It is sufficient just to associate oneself in any way with the Christ story. However, I'd argue a Christian moralist atheist isn't really taking a religious position at all-- any more than a Marxist is making communism a religion. In the "christ" bit they are, unless they're using it as a name, which it isn't. Not really a problem, words change, but it's worth asking.
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RE: Atheism VS Christian Atheism?
January 14, 2015 at 10:20 pm
I know Jesus had some nice things to say and all, but let's not forget that he advocated thoughtcrime and eternal punishment. In fact, I bet you most of what Jesus said that was good had already been said by an Eastern philospher hundreds of years earlier, like the golden rule.
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RE: Atheism VS Christian Atheism?
January 14, 2015 at 10:21 pm
(January 14, 2015 at 10:13 pm)DeadChannel Wrote: Wait, but, without the god myth, wasn't Jesus just some random dude?
Yes some random crazy desert dude who said he was the son of god. And people wanted him dead because he did a thing. And he said i didn't do the thing and people wanted him dead anyways.
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RE: Atheism VS Christian Atheism?
January 14, 2015 at 10:27 pm
Quote:Yes some random crazy desert dude who said he was the son of god. And people wanted him dead because he did a thing. And he said i didn't do the thing and people wanted him dead anyways.
Woah, someone should, like, write a book about that!
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RE: Atheism VS Christian Atheism?
January 14, 2015 at 10:50 pm
(January 14, 2015 at 9:14 pm)IanHulett Wrote: No. I'm not saying I'm a Christian who doesn't know if Yahweh or Jesus really exists, I'm saying I'm a person who rejects the belief in a God or Gods(atheist) but prefer to see Jesus as a teacher of morals.
Christian Atheism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism
You are aware that in spite of all the horrors in the Old Testament it wasn’t until Jesus Christ showed up in the New Testament that ETERNAL DAMNATION came into play?
There are much better sources for ethical behavior than the Bible.
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