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RE: Atheism VS Christian Atheism?
January 14, 2015 at 10:52 pm
(January 14, 2015 at 9:14 pm)IanHulett Wrote: (January 14, 2015 at 9:08 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Atheism is very simple. It means you don't believe in any gods. I don't know what christian atheism is, but if you're trying to say you're a christian that doesn't know if Yahweh/Jesus really exists, you're an agnostic theist.
No. I'm not saying I'm a Christian who doesn't know if Yahweh or Jesus really exists, I'm saying I'm a person who rejects the belief in a God or Gods(atheist) but prefer to see Jesus as a teacher of morals.
Christian Atheism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism
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RE: Atheism VS Christian Atheism?
January 14, 2015 at 11:41 pm
"There are many who confess that while they believe like the Turks and the Jews that there is some sort of God and some sort of deity, yet with regard to Jesus Christ and to all that to which the doctrine of the Evangelists and the Apostles testify, they take all that to be fables and dreams... I have heard that there are of this band those who call themselves Deists, an entirely new word, which they want to oppose to Atheist."
According to Wikipedia, some French guy wrote this in 1564 or so. You clearly don't believe in the *divinity* of Jesus, so there goes unqualified "Christian." Do you profess any believe in a god/creator/etc, including one who doesn't interfere with the universe or do miracles?
If so, you might be a deist.
If not, you're an agnostic or atheist and a self-professed oxymoron.
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RE: Atheism VS Christian Atheism?
January 14, 2015 at 11:56 pm
Hello  Well, it's really up to you what you call yourself. I'm not going to argue.
As to whether it makes sense, it doesn't to me. If we're talking about what describes your religious views, then I wouldn't say that some guy having some good ideas would qualify. Normally there has to be a supernatural element. It would be like me calling myself an atheist Dawkinist because I think Dawkins is awesome. I would just go with atheist, and mention what you think about jesus if it comes up in conversation. I think your chosen title is more likely to cause big confusion.
As I said though, if it makes you happy and it's important to you, then go for it
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RE: Atheism VS Christian Atheism?
January 15, 2015 at 12:34 am
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(January 14, 2015 at 9:03 pm)IanHulett Wrote: Hey guys. I'm curious to know the difference between regular Atheism and Christian Atheism. Is Christian Atheism still Atheism? Can a Christian Atheist still identify as Atheist? Thanks a bunch.
If you say - I want to follow the exemplary life of Jesus as in the bible, but I don't believe in God, then I'd say sure, do that and call yourself that. I don't think there are rules concerning these naming conventions by anyone we need to respect. But I'm with the others. This might be the most comfortable arrangement for you right now not to feel completely disoriented, but I can't see it really working consistently in the long run bc. the Jesus character clearly was a believer and also said some very unpleasant stuff. But maybe I'm too negative, you go with it and figure out what works for yourself.
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RE: Atheism VS Christian Atheism?
January 15, 2015 at 12:43 am
(January 14, 2015 at 9:14 pm)IanHulett Wrote: I'm saying I'm a person who rejects the belief in a God or Gods(atheist) but prefer to see Jesus as a teacher of morals.
Why would you want to do that?
Jesus was a terrible teacher of morals, or at least a wildly inconsistent one for whom you would need to do an awful lot of cherry picking to place him as more moral than, say, any given human being today. For every "do unto others"- which was present in moral teachings that predate Jesus anyway- you get his advocation of slavery, wherein he uses parables where returning escaped slaves to their masters is a morally good act. For every "turn the other cheek," you get his peculiar and comprehensive racism, where he compares everyone other than the tribe of Israel as dogs unworthy of salvation, going so far as to refuse to heal people based on that.
Jesus being a moral teacher is technically true, in that he taught things with a moral bent, but we can hardly pretend that he was a good one. Hell, if we're doing comparisons, I'm a better one, as I don't advocate for slavery.
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RE: Atheism VS Christian Atheism?
January 15, 2015 at 12:47 am
Nor, I suspect, to "give no thought for tomorrow ". What an insanely myopic cult to which to adhere.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Atheism VS Christian Atheism?
January 15, 2015 at 2:30 am
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He was also trying to teach an objective standard of morality, which is inherently amoral. And since it is so inconsistent, it is pretty much impossible to know what his standards were anyway.
I say "he", of course I mean him as written, whether he existed or not.
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RE: Atheism VS Christian Atheism?
January 15, 2015 at 4:39 am
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(January 14, 2015 at 10:13 pm)DeadChannel Wrote: Wait, but, without the god myth, wasn't Jesus just some random dude?
Pretty sure Gandhi, MLK, Confucius, and others were pretty much random dudes ... did that mean what they said had no use?
Taking his words at face value, Jesus is alleged to have said some smart stuff, some stupid stuff, and some downright shitty stuff. But there's nothing wrong with picking kernels of truth out of myths we've learnt, to my mind.
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RE: Atheism VS Christian Atheism?
January 15, 2015 at 6:25 am
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(January 14, 2015 at 9:03 pm)IanHulett Wrote: Hey guys. I'm curious to know the difference between regular Atheism and Christian Atheism. Is Christian Atheism still Atheism? Can a Christian Atheist still identify as Atheist? Thanks a bunch.
Yes
And a Christian
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RE: Atheism VS Christian Atheism?
January 15, 2015 at 9:13 am
(January 14, 2015 at 9:35 pm)Rhythm Wrote: It's not muddy at all. 
It would seem that both Christians and atheists would respond to someone saying he was a Christian atheist with "Huh?".
Seems pretty muddy to me.
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