Creation/evolution3

[Esquilax]

So where did the egg come from? what ever 'bird/lizzard/crap theory' the chicken evolved from.

Do you now see why your peers are so paniced about this theory of mine? I allows a believer access to an unmolested account of creation and whatever science is currently serving up in the realm of 'orgins.'

You know, Drich, for all your derisive attitude regarding science, you're still breathtakingly ignorant about the details of it. Or did you think I'd just let you forget the utter reaming you limped away from earlier in this thread regarding certain details of the scientific endeavor, or the similar hit you took when you tried to explain your own enormous misconceptions regarding the origin of the big bang theory?

No, why would I let you forget something that embarrassing?

Since you don't bother to do even a minimum amount of research before you scoff, your opinions on science don't mean jack shit; derision based in ignorance is not derision of science, but rather of your strawman.

[robvalue]

If you want to know more about the chicken/egg problem from a crow's perspective, you may find this interestingly irrelevant:

http://youtu.be/PODhohxYRfA

[The Grand Nudger]

This will probably fly over your head Drich, but if you want some evidence regarding Napoleans advance...you need look no further than your own kitchen cupboard to find that trail. People are so damned incurious sometimes. If someone started bullshitting about "manna" as the engine behind Napolean's strategic success we'd all, rightfully, be rolling our eyes.

[Thumpalumpacus]

No sport what I am saying is In the beginning God literally created everything Genesis Accounts for in 7 days. Then between the last day of creation (the rest) and the fall of Man your 4.6 billion (or whatever number your precious science wants to plug into that slot) happened, then about 5000 years ago (give or take) the fall happened and Man was expelled from the garden. So yes Adam and Eve were potentially in the garden for 5 billion years, or whatever number you need to plug into that spot. (Per the tree of life which they had access to.)

So, they lived in Paradise for five billion years, and not one thing of note happened? Not one thing interesting enough to record? No sex for five billion years -- or did your god approve of birth control back then?

And you think that is Paradise ... "sport"? What a barren conception of it you have. They lived in paradise for five billion years, and not one thing happened interesting enough to record.

*yawn*

[Davka]

They are also nowhere near the Sinai desert, which is a completely different type of desert from the Sahara.

The Sahara is covered in sand dunes, which shift and bury things, as well as sand-blasting everything in the desert whenever a strong wind blows.

The Sinai is not sandy at all. It's hard packed dirt and rocks, with a very thin scattering of plants in the wadis, which are narrow gorges carved in the dirt and stone by occasional flash-floods. Archaeologists have discerned evidence of temporary Bedouin camps in the Sinai that are thousands of years old. These are relatively small camps, but they left a mark on the desert floor that was visible from space thousands of years later.

Yet absolutely zero trace has been found of a group of millions of people (along with their livestock) who supposedly spent 40 years wandering through the Sinai.

Ooops, wrong link.
http://www.geographia.com/egypt/sinai/history.htm

You would think that you would have googled Alexander the great and the Sinia desert before you posted your conclusion.

So again the question still stands where are all the 'earmarks' you called for of the exodus in the sinia, for Alexander, Neoplean, Ramseys ect?

Seriously? You're linking to a grade-school-level article for tourists as 'evidence' of something?

Alexander's army did not spend 40 years in the Sinai, nor did they have millions of people plus herds of animals. Yet they left traces in the desert at their camp near El Qatih.

Exodus supposedly records the movement of over a million people plus all their herds and belongings. Yet not a trace of this passage can be found. Even the folks at Bible History Daily, who have a dog in this fight, find this "curious" -
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Curiously, no Exodus-related archaeological remains have been recovered in the Sinai Peninsula—through which the Israelites must have traveled out of Egypt—dating to the traditional period of the Exodus, around 1200 B.C.E.

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These folks are Biblical Archaeologists. It is their job to try to find connections between what is written in the Bible and what is written in the rocks and dirt and pottery shards. But they cannot find any trace of the Exodus, and they find this "curious."

Most Biblical Archaeologists have given up on the Sinai Peninsula altogether, and are focusing instead on Saudi Arabia, which has the handy added feature of being a place in which archeologists (especially Christian archeologists) are particularly unwelcome. Thus, since they cannot actually visit the area to confirm or falsify their hypotheses, Biblical Archaeologists are free to speculate endlessly about the Arabian Peninsula, even though they admit that the Israelites must have traveled through the Sinai Peninsula on their way out of Egypt.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Also, "artical".

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And "Neoplean", lmao.

[watchamadoodle]

The problem is that science has a timeline for the items in the 7 days of creation too. For example, the sun and the moon didn't evolve on the same day. I think you can't take those days literally - they need to be "heavenly days" or something. Even using "heavenly days", the sequence is wrong.

All of the bible is written from two perspectives. God's and Man's. I am suggesting that the genesis account is from Man's perspective and not God's as it lack the technical detail God could include.

Think of John of Patmos and how he was given a seat at the end of the world to watch and record all that he saw. To me Genesis is written from this same type of perspective. As if God took Moses or whomever and sat him in one spot and let creation unfold around him. That is why everything is written from only one perspective, while God could have given several different/more complete explaination.

So, do you imagine the seven days happening in seven days, or do you imagine the seven days happening over billions of years in phases that are overlapping and ordered differently from Genesis 1?

Don't forget, the Bible says there was quail in the evening. Also cats evolved in the Sahara, so they would have no problem surviving on a desert journey.

The Quail did not come along till after the Jews complained about the manna. (for months/years) The manna was pounded into bread. I don't know about your cats but mine did not eat bread.

Of course cats are native to the desert and could hunt lizards. Also humans would not survive on a diet of ordinary bread for 40 years. Manna must have been very nutritious and could have been made into cat kibble in addition to human bread IMO.

[Davka]

Also, "artical".

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And "Neoplean", lmao.

He's dyslexic.

Although you'd think he would at least use spell-check.

[Esquilax]

So, they lived in Paradise for five billion years, and not one thing of note happened? Not one thing interesting enough to record? No sex for five billion years -- or did your god approve of birth control back then?

That's actually an excellent point, especially in light of god's charge to "be fruitful and multiply." God doesn't like disobedience, as evidenced by the huge deal he made out of couple of fruits, but he allowed that order to be disobeyed for billions of years, in Drich's book?

Hmm, I don't think he's thought this through, really.

[Crossless2.0]

So, they lived in Paradise for five billion years, and not one thing of note happened? Not one thing interesting enough to record? No sex for five billion years -- or did your god approve of birth control back then?

And you think that is Paradise ... "sport"? What a barren conception of it you have. They lived in paradise for five billion years, and not one thing happened interesting enough to record.

*yawn*

It sounds like a kind of -- bovine existence, sans reproductive sex. No doubt, those billions of years passed with Adam and Eve happily worshiping the great and powerful Oz to his heart's content, and I suppose that's what Christians look forward to for eternity in Heaven. A barren conception indeed! If this is their idea of paradise, they're welcome to it.