Evidence God Exists

[Minimalist]

Do you know the difference between written and spoken.

Do you? Matthew WROTE it down, asshole. That makes it WRITTEN. Your bible is fucked up.


Sorry, tacky...that's just pure apologetic bullshit.

"Matthew" ( who never existed either ) has your godboy going to a town which did not exist in order to fulfill a "prophecy" which does not exist. Just how much bullshit are you willing to swallow?

[The Grand Nudger]

Nevermind that any prophecy, no matter how well recorded or preserved, means fuck all if the subject of said prophecy cannot be shown to exist.

[Minimalist]

Aw fuck it. Let's declare war on xtian assholes today. I'm feeling feisty! This is far from the only example of such insanity.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/f...phecy.html

These involve those cases where, although alleged prophecies were quoted or referred to by New Testament writers, Bible scholars have been unable to find the original statement. An example is found in John 7:38 where Jesus said, "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water." If Jesus was right in saying that scripture said this, just where was it said? No such statement in the Old Testament scriptures has ever been located

Jesus claimed another fulfillment of nonprophecy in Luke 24:46. Speaking to his disciples on the night of his alleged resurrection, he said, "Thus it is written and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day." ............ Try as they may, however, bibliolaters cannot produce an Old Testament passage that made this alleged third-day prediction. It simply doesn't exist.

"Then was fulfilled that which was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was priced, whom certain of the children of Israel did price; and they gave them for the potter's field as the Lord appointed me" (27:9-10). The only problem is that Jeremiah never wrote anything remotely similar to this, so how could this be a fulfillment of "that which was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet"?

atthew was quite adept at citing nonprophecies. When Joseph took his family to Nazareth upon their return from Egypt, Matthew said that he did so "that it might be fulfilled which was spoken through the prophets, that he should be called a Nazarene"(2:23). Bible scholars, however, have been unable to find any statement that any prophet ever made that this could be a reference to. As a matter of fact, the Old Testament prophets never referred to Nazareth, period. The word Nazareth, as well as Nazarene, was never even mentioned in the Old Testament. If this is so, how then could the period of Jesus's residency in Nazareth have been prophesied by the prophets?

Till does cite the reply of another idiot preacher to this one with the same silly answer as G-C came up with. They'll try anything to get their fucking bible off the hook.

Matthew was notorious for seeing prophecy fulfillment in just about everything, even the most trivial events. To return to an example already mentioned, let's notice again that he even saw prophecy fulfillment in the flight of Joseph and Mary into Egypt to save their child from Herod's edict. When they returned to Israel, this fulfilled, so Matthew claimed, what the Lord had spoken through the prophet: "Out of Egypt I called My Son" (2:15). This "call out of Egypt" refers to Hosea 11:1, where it was said, "When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called My son." As I said, the original statement was obviously a reference to the Hebrew exodus from Egypt and therefore became a prophecy pertaining to Jesus only in Matthew's wild imagination. It is about as convincing as Matthew's claim that Joseph took his family to Nazareth to fulfill the prophecies that said Jesus would be called a Nazarene. Apparently, it didn't take much for Matthew to see prophetic connection.

Well, it goes on and on. Can't wait to see G-C twisting his balls into a knot trying to get out of these. I'm sure it will be highly entertaining.

[Godscreated]

Do you know the difference between written and spoken.

Do you? Matthew WROTE it down, asshole. That makes it WRITTEN. Your bible is fucked up.


Sorry, tacky...that's just pure apologetic bullshit.

"Matthew" ( who never existed either ) has your godboy going to a town which did not exist in order to fulfill a "prophecy" which does not exist. Just how much bullshit are you willing to swallow?

The prophecy was not wriiten in the OT it was a spoken prophcey handed down through the generations, I thought personal attacks were not allowed, guess christians do not have the same rights as nonbelievers.

[Minimalist]

The prophecy was not wriiten in the OT it was a spoken prophcey handed down through the generations, I thought personal attacks were not allowed, guess christians do not have the same rights as nonbelievers.

Oh stop being so fucking stupid! On one hand you insist that all this shit was written down by these so-called "prophets" and then you trump up a whole other "spoken" tradition? Do you understand at all what a flaming asshole you sound like?

[Shell B]

Do you? Matthew WROTE it down, asshole. That makes it WRITTEN. Your bible is fucked up.


Sorry, tacky...that's just pure apologetic bullshit.

"Matthew" ( who never existed either ) has your godboy going to a town which did not exist in order to fulfill a "prophecy" which does not exist. Just how much bullshit are you willing to swallow?

The prophecy was not wriiten in the OT it was a spoken prophcey handed down through the generations, I thought personal attacks were not allowed, guess christians do not have the same rights as nonbelievers.

Actually, the personal attack rule is a little more refined than that. Tack can handle his own and will decide whether he finds it offensive or not. The conversation would become far less convoluted if you focused on Min's point and not his attitude. That being said, we try to treat believers and atheists the same way here. You are not privy to personal messages and any warnings dealt out here unless they are dealt to you, so please do not make assumptions that other, newer members could misconstrue as fact.

[Godscreated]

Aw fuck it. Let's declare war on xtian assholes today. I'm feeling feisty! This is far from the only example of such insanity.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/f...phecy.html

These involve those cases where, although alleged prophecies were quoted or referred to by New Testament writers, Bible scholars have been unable to find the original statement. An example is found in John 7:38 where Jesus said, "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water." If Jesus was right in saying that scripture said this, just where was it said? No such statement in the Old Testament scriptures has ever been located

Jesus claimed another fulfillment of nonprophecy in Luke 24:46. Speaking to his disciples on the night of his alleged resurrection, he said, "Thus it is written and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day." ............ Try as they may, however, bibliolaters cannot produce an Old Testament passage that made this alleged third-day prediction. It simply doesn't exist.

"Then was fulfilled that which was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was priced, whom certain of the children of Israel did price; and they gave them for the potter's field as the Lord appointed me" (27:9-10). The only problem is that Jeremiah never wrote anything remotely similar to this, so how could this be a fulfillment of "that which was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet"?

atthew was quite adept at citing nonprophecies. When Joseph took his family to Nazareth upon their return from Egypt, Matthew said that he did so "that it might be fulfilled which was spoken through the prophets, that he should be called a Nazarene"(2:23). Bible scholars, however, have been unable to find any statement that any prophet ever made that this could be a reference to. As a matter of fact, the Old Testament prophets never referred to Nazareth, period. The word Nazareth, as well as Nazarene, was never even mentioned in the Old Testament. If this is so, how then could the period of Jesus's residency in Nazareth have been prophesied by the prophets?

Till does cite the reply of another idiot preacher to this one with the same silly answer as G-C came up with. They'll try anything to get their fucking bible off the hook.

Matthew was notorious for seeing prophecy fulfillment in just about everything, even the most trivial events. To return to an example already mentioned, let's notice again that he even saw prophecy fulfillment in the flight of Joseph and Mary into Egypt to save their child from Herod's edict. When they returned to Israel, this fulfilled, so Matthew claimed, what the Lord had spoken through the prophet: "Out of Egypt I called My Son" (2:15). This "call out of Egypt" refers to Hosea 11:1, where it was said, "When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called My son." As I said, the original statement was obviously a reference to the Hebrew exodus from Egypt and therefore became a prophecy pertaining to Jesus only in Matthew's wild imagination. It is about as convincing as Matthew's claim that Joseph took his family to Nazareth to fulfill the prophecies that said Jesus would be called a Nazarene. Apparently, it didn't take much for Matthew to see prophetic connection.

Well, it goes on and on. Can't wait to see G-C twisting his balls into a knot trying to get out of these. I'm sure it will be highly entertaining.

Ever enter your mind that not all scripture made it's way in written form to the time of Jesus. No, I bet it did not that could only happen to the history that you like and defend and Herod died in 1BC.

[The Grand Nudger]

The possibilities of unwritten prophecy are limitless.

[Godscreated]

The prophecy was not wriiten in the OT it was a spoken prophcey handed down through the generations, I thought personal attacks were not allowed, guess christians do not have the same rights as nonbelievers.

Oh stop being so fucking stupid! On one hand you insist that all this shit was written down by these so-called "prophets" and then you trump up a whole other "spoken" tradition? Do you understand at all what a flaming asshole you sound like?

I have never said that all scripture was written down and I am not trying to make a case for spoken tradition, some of the scriptures may have been lost or destroyed before Jesus birth I nor you can say one way or the other.

[Shell B]

Ever enter your mind that not all scripture made it's way in written form to the time of Jesus. No, I bet it did not that could only happen to the history that you like and defend and Herod died in 1BC.

Wait, Min believes in history that is scripture that didn't make its way to the time of Jesus?

If I am interpreting this correctly, you are saying that some of what is in the bible is oral history and that Min finds that unacceptable, unless it pertains to "his" version of history. Now, assuming that I am reading that correctly, I have to say that what history scholars get from oral histories that are eventually written down is relevant information. For example, say a historian from ancient times wrote "and then Hades sent up flames from the bowels of the Earth." Historians would date the information, based on the writer or dating of the material on which the history is written and make a logical guess that it probably refers to a volcanic eruption and a few more logical guesses regarded when and for how long the information has been passed on. Geologists would be able to give them an idea of when volcanoes erupted in the area and there you have history. Notice that Hades is disregarded because Hades is a mythical god created by people who did not understand volcanoes and other perfectly natural features of the Earth. Christians would dismiss Hades as well. The problem is that they won't do the same for "their" god. Min is eliminating your god from the equation because he/she should have went the way of Hades hundreds of years ago.

Disclaimer: I am aware that Hades is the god of the Underworld. Not entirely sure who they attributed volcanoes to.