Evidence God Exists

[tavarish]

I really don't understand why this isn't viewed as an extremely moral act. if you could give your child EVERLASTING BLISS AND REWARD, why not do it?

They have that whole 'Thou shalt not kill' clause to worry about.

It's not like there haven't been reasons to ignore that issue before.

[Paul the Human]

I really don't understand why this isn't viewed as an extremely moral act. if you could give your child EVERLASTING BLISS AND REWARD, why not do it?

They have that whole 'Thou shalt not kill' clause to worry about.

It's not like there haven't been reasons to ignore that issue before.

True enough.

[AngelThMan]

I've often pondered why is it that if christians honestly believed what they are saying, they don't do all that ritualistic stuff accepting Jesus yadda yadda....

...then off themselves.

Really. Eternity in paradise and all that. Why wait?

I've often wondered why devout believers don't kill their children. I mean, don't parents always say they only want the best for their kids? And won't any parent do anything for their kid's well being? Well, what's better than eternity in paradise? If parents truly believe what they profess to believe, they should kill their kids before the little tykes get a chance to grow up and sin. This ensures they will be admitted to heaven! What if your kid grows up to become a criminal and he winds up in hell? Then it's YOUR FAULT because you could have prevented it if only you would have dispatched them when they were a child.

Makes perfect sense to me....

And that's truly frightening. This proves atheists are not as bright as they profess to be. If a Christian believes in heaven, why would they kill their own kids and end up in hell themselves for committing this act?

1. If a Christian parent kills their kid, it's covered because they accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior...

If a person kills their kid to defy and test God, then they do not love Jesus, and therefore are not covered.

This only proves that you will support any atheist view, no matter how wild or ridiculous it is. You even supported Welsh cake's beluga whale video, when several atheists here themselves deemed it as weak. Welsh cake himself admitted it was an incoherent response while he was intoxicated, but you argued in favor of the video. Any junk coming from an atheist is gold to you.

And yet you've accused me of 'intellectual dishonesty' and of posting ad hominem arguments.

[Thor]

If a person kills their kid to defy and test God, then they do not love Jesus, and therefore are not covered.

Who said anything about killing your kid to "defy and test god"? You would be doing it because you love your child and want to make sure that he/she ends up in heaven! And, since you accept "Jesus" as your Lortd and Savior, your sins are forgiven! You get into heaven as well! It's a win-win!

[tavarish]

If a person kills their kid to defy and test God, then they do not love Jesus, and therefore are not covered.

And where did I say ANYTHING about defying or testing God? I'm saying if they truly believe in such doctrine (heaven and hell) to the point where their actions have very real implications in the afterlife, why not rid their children of the stresses of life and allow them eternity in God's good graces?

This isn't about people defying anything, I'm giving a hypothetical account for people who truly believe that what they are doing is in accordance with their religious dogma.

This only proves that you will support any atheist view, no matter how wild or ridiculous it is. You even supported Welsh cake's beluga whale video, when several atheists here themselves deemed it as weak.

So you make a baseless assertion, then make an appeal to popularity? I don't care what other atheists deemed as weak - i replied to your post particularly. You obviously didn't get the point and ignored any refutations to your wild claim that intelligent humans = God.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-3113-pos...l#pid62746

Point out ONE place where I'm in "support" of a video and not asking you questions about specific claims that you made and didn't back up.

Welsh cake himself admitted it was an incoherent response while he was intoxicated, but you argued in favor of the video. Any junk coming from an atheist is gold to you.

How the hell is this relevant to ANYTHING?

1. You try and make the point that atheists in this thread have deemed something as weak - respecting their opinion and appealing to popularity.
2. You then turn around and accuse me of praising any argument coming from an atheistic source, which is fractally wrong.

It's fine if a source supports your view, but when that same source disagrees, you dismiss it? Good job.

And yet you've accused me of 'intellectual dishonesty' and of posting ad hominem arguments.

You apparently don't know what Ad Hominem means, as evidenced by this post:

http://atheistforums.org/thread-3113-pos...l#pid62991

You consistently construct red herrings and dodge questions. You accuse others of being immature, but you have yet to provide evidence for any of your claims. Rational adults solve disputes in this way, not by regurgitating dogma and unfounded claims.

You want to swing your babynuts around here and act like you know something? Fucking demonstrate it. Only then will people take you seriously.

[The_Flying_Skeptic]

If my imagination did come into the equation then God would give me candy every day.

You mean he doesn't?!? Fuck religion then!

it's funnier when you read it with a British accent.

[chatpilot]

It's funny but I can't even believe that you are all arguing that xtians should off their kids before they are even conscious of the concept of sin so that they are guaranteed their place in heaven. And that they should also off themselves so they can meet their children in candy land lol.

Speaking from the perspective of a former fundie (embarrassing as that is) I only see one problem with this. The bible states that the body is the temple of the lord.
1. Corinthians 6:19
19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20.For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
It is because of this that suicide is a sin.
Christians are bought like a bag of potato chips and they are not their own: god owns you bitches!! LMAO

Offing your kids was fashionable in the O.T. LOL
Exodus 21:17 (Whole Chapter)
And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

It's only cool to kill when god says it's cool.

[Welsh cake]

This proves atheists are not as bright as they profess to be.

If a person kills their kid to defy and test God, then they do not love Jesus, and therefore are not covered.

Usually its the tyrant God testing people, or so you would have us believe, why else was God ordering Abraham to sacrifice his own child knowing full well he'd do it?

You even supported Welsh cake's beluga whale video, when several atheists here themselves deemed it as weak. Welsh cake himself admitted it was an incoherent response while he was intoxicated, but you argued in favor of the video. Any junk coming from an atheist is gold to you.

And yet you've accused me of 'intellectual dishonesty' and of posting ad hominem arguments.

Now it's my turn to accuse you of being intellectually dishonest, since no one here had any real complaints over the Beluga Whale video since it supported the counter-argument of animal intelligence but the railway near-miss accident video I linked to was criticised instead because it was a fucking straw man, it didn't respond to your argument that time and this has already been addressed.

Meanwhile where's this evidence that God exists? Can you manage this much for us in less than 50 pages please because this is getting tedious.

[chatpilot]

I agree this threads title is self contradictory since in reality no one has ever provided adequate evidence that god exist. And whoever was truly able to do this would probably win some kind of nobel peace prize for exposing the tyrant god to the world.

[Loki_999]

Ok, i think the whole thing about killing your kids to get into heaven is quite against christian doctrine no matter what spin is put on it, so probably I think it is better to let that one die.

I would like AngelThMan, being a believer, to explain why Christian's mourn when someone dies though. Never had a response to that one.