Evidence God Exists

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Many children have invisible friends when they are young. Most grow out of it.

Funnny you should mention that; I'd forgotten. Mum told me I had am invisiible friend when I was 3. His name was Mr Bailey. Apparently I blamed him for everything of which I was accused. I grew out of Mr Bailey in a few months.

@Godschild,you seem awefully fond of judging others,even though you have no way of knowing their motives.

In the Gospel accoding to Luke 6;17-49, (The Sermon On the plain ) Jesus is recorded as saying;

Remove the log from your own eye before attending to the splinter in your friend's

I put Christians I run across into two broad categories; 'Big C' and 'smalll c'---------

Big C Christians are loud,aggressive and obnoxious.Not mention closed minded and willfully ignorant. I have no Big C friends or acquaintances; I decline to suffer fools.

Small c Christian are quietly confident of their beliefs and accepting of others. They 'give witmess' by their actions, never proselyting and are other centred. I have know and respected many people like that during my life. Sadly, judging by your posts,you seem to be the very model of a Big C Christian.

[tavarish]

No I'm not that's what you are saying about me. I know about the Scotsman. I'm saying that there are those who will use christianity for self gain and christians are to have a relationship with Christ based on trust and sacrifice.

Why can't you have both?

Jesus said that the road to salvation was a narrow road,that the gate to salvation was narrow and that few would enter. Jesus said that only through Him is salvation given. Jesus said that no one comes unto the Father except through Him. It's not about different beliefs it's about the one true belief and that's accepting Christ as ones savior and following Him.

Yes, everyone else who doesn't believe what you believe in is wrong and will pay for it for eternity.

All the other stuff is what seperates the church into different denominations.

Other stuff like what?

Matthew 7:13-23 read it. Jesus in those verses tells us that we can tell who is true to the faith and who is not and His words are So you,shall recognize them by their fruit.

And the bad trees who bear bad fruit, in this case, false believers, will be thrown into the fire. Way to go Jesus.

Paul states what the good and bad fruits are in Galatians 5:19-24. So you see no one has to judge them they will show themselves to be what they are and it's for we who are christians to recognize them for what they are.

THAT IS JUDGEMENT. Jesus isn't judging in this context, you are.

Christ told us these things for our protection from harm from those in the church who would do us harm.

No, it was written to instill a holier than thou attitude in the Christian population.

21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Person: I believed in you and did good works in my life!
Jesus: Fuck off.

You are absolutely correct in saying it would be absurd to question whither or not the Pope is Catholic. He is 100% Cathloic. I never stated that he was not Catholic. I only asked Thor if he wanted to argue if Pope Urban II had received salvation through Christ.

I never tried to demonstrate how the Pope left Christ out of his life or that he used the church for personal gain. Thor has not as of today given me a answer about arguing the point of Pope Urban II salvation.

Catholicism is a denomination of Christianity. I don't understand what you're getting at. You say it's not your place to judge, but it's all that you've been doing.

No not entirely. Christains should not be looking for personal gain in their relationship with Christ,this is not about us it's all about Christ. We as christians should be sacrificing,that is giving of our selves for others to honor Christ. Our reward will come in eternity with Christ.

That is personal gain. Obviously it is about you. If you found out that Christ died for your sins, but even then, you had to go to hell no matter what, would you still accept this doctrine?

While here in this body we are to give of ourselves and of that which God has blessed us with. Tavarish personal gain could be anything from praying for pesonal healing to a TV preacher raking in the cash from those who do not understand the Bible they are not seeing the wolf dressed in sheeps clothing.

So praying for cancer to recede is the same as a preacher selling his DVD on an infomercial? Did God bless the cancer patient with all those malignant cells?

I'm sorry that I stated my reply in a way that led you to believe I was impling you did. What I was trying to say was that logic has no way of proving,disproving or defining a supernatural being like the christian God.

If belief in God does not rest on logic, it is illogic.

[RedFish]

I'm definitely a little c. Indeed, if you were to ask anyone who knows me they would more than likely love to tell you in detail about what a little c I am....''That RedFish, he's a right little c!'', they'd say...

''22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!''...Does this not go against the exorcism rite/ritual/hoo-haa? Seems to me there are just too many contradictions to take the Bible as the literal truth. Wisdom, yes. Law, no.

''If belief in God does not rest on logic, it is illogic.'' Individual proof, if it is there at all, will be found in the real world. Not an imaginary paradise constructed from dubious references to a world long gone.

[Thor]

You are absolutely correct in saying it would be absurd to question whither or not the Pope is Catholic. He is 100% Cathloic. I never stated that he was not Catholic. I only asked Thor if he wanted to argue if Pope Urban II had received salvation through Christ.

Oh, BULLSHIT! You said that you didn't know if the Pope was a Christian. Go back and look at Post #256! Here is what you wrote:

I do not know if that Pope was a christian.

Doesn't get any plainer than that...

Thor has not as of today given me a answer about arguing the point of Pope Urban II salvation.

And I'm not going to, because this was not the original discussion. You said that you didn't know if the Pope was a Christian. When I pressed you on this, you suddenly switched it around and insisted that you were talking about the Pope's salvation. Your own posts show this to be untrue!

[Godscreated]

Thor you need to go back and read #303 I know what I said. I did not think you would argue the point. It would be difficult for a nonbeliever to argue for the belief of a christian. Thanks for the answer.

Tavarish I do not think I've judged anyone,not you,not Thor or even Pope Urban II unless saying you are a nonbeliever qualifies as judging. The only thing I've done is give you examples from the Bible that believing christians should use to recognize people who call themselves christians but are wolves in sheeps clothing.

Min who let you out of the sandbox please go back and learn to be a good boy.

[RedFish]

''No I will not reveal the two denominations that I believe are totally incorrect in their beliefs.''
I'm at a loss. What did you mean by the above statement if it was non-judgemental?

Not that Minimalist needs me to defend him/her/none of my business, but your last statement is just childish. Really. I've read enough posts to know that Minimalist has more knowledge of the FACTS than anyone I've ever met claiming to represent 'The Truth', and knows how to communicate to those willing to listen. I will use what I've learnt from her/him/mind your own business to distill my 'beliefs'. I see that as a good thing, and progress for me. Maybe I'll be left with nothing, but maybe I'll be left with something more potent.

[Autumnlicious]

Thor you need to go back and read #303 I know what I said. I did not think you would argue the point. It would be difficult for a nonbeliever to argue for the belief of a christian. Thanks for the answer.

Tavarish I do not think I've judged anyone,not you,not Thor or even Pope Urban II unless saying you are a nonbeliever qualifies as judging. The only thing I've done is give you examples from the Bible that believing christians should use to recognize people who call themselves christians but are wolves in sheeps clothing.

Min who let you out of the sandbox please go back and learn to be a good boy.

I hereby decreed thee to be Pippy II.

Go forth and spread your unsubstantiated assertions!

[Minimalist]

Min who let you out of the sandbox please go back and learn to be a good boy.

Fuck off, sonny. I notice you did not answer the question which doesn't surprise me at all because religious fanatics NEVER consider the possibility that they might be wrong.

Next time you double-date with jesus give him a big wet kiss for me.

[chatpilot]

Godschild Wrote: Jesus said that the road to salvation was a narrow road,that the gate to salvation was narrow and that few would enter. Jesus said that only through Him is salvation given. Jesus said that no one comes unto the Father except through Him. It's not about different beliefs it's about the one true belief and that's accepting Christ as ones savior and following Him.

Once again you demonstrate how intolerant Christianity really is. The bible certainly is opposed to other belief systems but I don't think it was a matter of truth or falsity but rather a desire for world domination as evidenced by the crusades and the various inquisitions. The O.T. also demonstrates this clearly when it states that after the lord liberated the Hebrews from Egyptian slavery he led them on a campaign of blood in an effort to destroy all other belief systems by force making Judaism the one and only true faith.

Just because your bible says "Jesus said" does not mean he said anything at all. The N.T. is based on oral traditions and Jesus is most likely a fictional/mythical character than an actual historical person. You can literally replace "Jesus said" with any other name of any other so called founder of a different faith and get the same results. It does not make the beliefs any more truer than any other belief systems it competes with.

[Autumnlicious]

Jesus said that no one comes unto the Father except through Him.

To be honest, I think no one wants to jizz on God if he has his son do it to him. Spoil't goods it is.