Christian Myths and Atheists Lies

[bibleabc123]

...Just forgetting a minor detail that we plan our lives based on our own experiences and the experiences of others, predicted beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt by scientific means and deductive reasoning, and NOT by simply wishful thinking.

You can call it what you want, you can deduce anything you like but there is no such thing as tomorrow pal. All of your predictions are based on BELIEVING. You BELIEVE in tomorrow...call it what you want, BELIEF IS BELIEF! A rose by any name is still a rose, in the same way you WISHFULLY THINK you will wake up tomorrow, YOU DO NOT KNOW!! The fact is one day you WILL NOT, that's not a belief that's a Fact jack! You may hope you will but hope too is not substance of anything other than faith. The only difference between you and me is I believe and I am honest about it you believe and you lie to yourself convincing yourself your belief is fact!

I'm also guessing the "cause and effect" argument would be the first cause, or cosmological argument. I'd urge you to stop looking for answers in genesis, join the real world, and understand why that argument is so full of holes you could call it swiss cheese.

The real world, whats that, the one where time and space exists? Those concepts that Einstein proved did not really exist? Is that the real world you're talking about. You mean the world where random chance and dumb luck are the author of intelligence and order....I thought that was called Looney Tunes

You make the claim that scientists have a universe without a cause, then you answer that non-question with a creator, more complex that the universe wit no evidence to support it, and guess what, it doesn't have a cause either.
Have you ever considered that causality and time did not exist "prior" to the Big Bang? Why would you assume that the laws of nature existed?

Blah, blah blah....Its only been since the past century that you guys just finally got around to BELIEVING what the bible has said all along. Before that it was the blah, blah blah the Eternal Universe

We've been telling you for centuries God said it and Bang there was!!!!

Explain some more, because apparently I'm not that intelligent

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There is still hope, all you have to do is STOP and think for yourself, but wait a minute that's what you think you're already doing now

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You should probably keep in mind that an atheists idea of Utopia were the USSR and Red China, not too good an example for what you guys BELIEVE, not too good at all!!

Erm...no. The USSR and China are probably the countries I'd least want to live in. My idea of Utopia is a secular place where the government does not have any official stance on religion, and where people from different religions can work together to create a community.

By the way, you still haven't told us the "truth" behind Galileo.

Where is that secular place? Does it exist or is it something you believe in?

As far as Galileo your assignment if you choose to take it is to read something about the man that doesn't fit in the category of the everyday diet of biased indoctrination you usually take in.

I'll be nice, do my good deed for the day and help to get you started

The Holy Scriptures, to Galileo were divinely inspired and inerrant, though humans can misinterpret their true meaning. “…the Holy Scriptures cannot err and the decrees therein contained are absolutely true and inviolable. I should have added that, though scripture cannot err its expounders and interpreters are liable to err in many ways …when they base themselves always on literal meaning of the words
Sobel, Dava, Galileo’s Daughter: A Historical Memoir of Science, Faith, and Love. Toronto: Viking Press, 1999, 63.

[Violet]

No more trolling please bibleabc123 or you'll be invited to leave.

And by invited... Darwinian means it as the English mean it.

[bibleabc123]

No more trolling please bibleabc123 or you'll be invited to leave.

And by invited... Darwinian means it as the English mean it.

A brilliant example of atheistic tolerance bravo!!!

[Tiberius]

Where is that secular place? Does it exist or is it something you believe in?

Your original post talked about "Utopia", and so did mine. The definition of Utopia is:

"any visionary system of political or social perfection."

So no, I don't think this place exists, but it's something everyone should strive for. Equality and freedom wil lead us forward and together. I don't exactly see what is so funny.

As far as Galileo your assignment if you choose to take it is to read something about the man that doesn't fit in the category of the everyday diet of biased indoctrination you usually take in.

I'm well aware Galileo was a Christian and believed in the Bible. I never denied that. My point was about your apparent denial that the Christian church has a long history of denying scientific enquiry, with the notable examples of the trial of Galileo over the correct view that the Earth wasn't the centre of the solar system, let alone the centre of the universe. Other examples include the obvious one concerning Evolution, and the fact that over 50% of Americans do not accept any form of Evolution.

[Violet]

No more trolling please bibleabc123 or you'll be invited to leave.

And by invited... Darwinian means it as the English mean it.

A brilliant example of atheistic tolerance bravo!!!

He is English after all. And honestly... with a name like "bibleabc123" (and rather apparent trolling to go with it)... I think you should be impressed that you haven't been kicked for trolling already.

[tavarish]

No way this dude is real.

[bibleabc123]

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Where is that secular place? Does it exist or is it something you believe in?

Your original post talked about "Utopia", and so did mine. The definition of Utopia is:

"any visionary system of political or social perfection."

So no, I don't think this place exists, but it's something everyone should strive for. Equality and freedom wil lead us forward and together. I don't exactly see what is so funny.

Because you BELIEVE, that's what so funny! Whenever I come across an atheist who BELIEVES I find it absolutely hilarious. All of you guys believe it just that most of you are not honest about it. If you'd be honest you wouldn't place yourselves in some sort of elitist category of the "enlightened ones"
When actually you just BELIEVE differently!

[quote]I'm well aware Galileo was a Christian and believed in the Bible. I never denied that. My point was about your apparent denial that the Christian church has a long history of denying scientific enquiry, with the notable examples of the trial of Galileo over the correct view that the Earth wasn't the centre of the solar system, let alone the centre of the universe. Other examples include the obvious one concerning Evolution, and the fact that over 50% of Americans do not accept any form of Evolution.

Aha ...there is hope for you then. If you know one of the greatest scientific thinkers of all time believed in the bible, despite the persecution he endured from wicked men. If you understand that he was able to differentiate between the Bible and the wicked men who used the bible for their own selfish purposes, then you should be that much more curious as to why someone intelligent as he never swayed from faith! Bottom line I guess I'm getting to is if Galileo believed then are you and your fellow atheists more intelligent than he?
I assure you most of you ....are not!

So much for the myth of the so called scientifically illiterate Christians

[tavarish]

I tried to count the logical fallacies in your argument and I ran out of fingers.

[Tiberius]

Because you BELIEVE, that's what so funny! Whenever I come across an atheist who BELIEVES I find it absolutely hilarious. All of you guys believe it just that most of you are not honest about it. If you'd be honest you wouldn't place yourselves in some sort of elitist category of the "enlightened ones"
When actually you just BELIEVE differently!

Yes...I believe in things. What made you think I didn't? An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in gods, not someone who doesn't believe in anything. I don't place myself in an elitist category of "enlightened ones". I say I believe in the Enlightenment, which is perfectly true. What I do say is that the scientific studies have shown a strong negative correlation between religiosity and IQ.

Aha ...there is hope for you then. If you know one of the greatest scientific thinkers of all time believed in the bible, despite the persecution he endured from wicked men. If you understand that he was able to differentiate between the Bible and the wicked men who used the bible for their own selfish purposes, then you should be that much more curious as to why someone intelligent as he never swayed from faith! Bottom line I guess I'm getting to is if Galileo believed are you and your fellow atheists more intelligent than he?
I assure you most of you ....are not!

Yes I'm curious; there are exceptions to every study of course. I've known very clever people who are Christians, and I've known very stupid people who are atheists. That doesn't stop the studies that show the correlation from being true, just as 80% of Mensa members are atheists, and something like 75% of the National Academy of Science are atheists.

Galileo lived over 400 years ago, and our intelligence levels have increased since then. I'd say that quite a few people are more intelligent than Galileo nowadays. He was a genius in his time, but that doesn't make him a genius today.

So much for the myth of the so called scientifically illiterate Christians

Was that ever a myth???

[leo-rcc]

So much for the myth of the so called scientifically illiterate Christians

What the fuck are you talking about? Of course there were Christian literate scientists, and there still are. So are there Muslim science literates, Buddhist science literates, and non religious science literates. Likewise for the illiterate.

Atheism has nothing to do with science. Neither does religion.