Christian Myths and Atheists Lies

[bibleabc123]

Yes...I believe in things. What made you think I didn't? An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in gods, not someone who doesn't believe in anything. I don't place myself in an elitist category of "enlightened ones". I say I believe in the Enlightenment, which is perfectly true. What I do say is that the scientific studies have shown a strong negative correlation between religiosity and IQ.

Then there are different types of atheists I suppose or you're in a different category by yourself for as you should know, believing requires an admitting that one not knows for a fact. This is the main argument atheists use against our belief in God or in fact any god.... is it not? If you are admitting belief in something you cannot prove exists then you are a believer same as I. You believe in chance I believe in God...see what I mean?

Yes I'm curious; there are exceptions to every study of course. I've known very clever people who are Christians, and I've known very stupid people who are atheists. That doesn't stop the studies that show the correlation from being true, just as 80% of Mensa members are atheists, and something like 75% of the National Academy of Science are atheists.

The question is this... how many Mensa's have actually done something beneficial to world history that improves the quality of life for humankind? I submit to you relatively few proportionately in comparison to Christians. Bottom line intelligence and IQ is only part of the equation of wholly integral productively functioning human being... don't you agree?

Galileo lived over 400 years ago, and our intelligence levels have increased since then. I'd say that quite a few people are more intelligent than Galileo nowadays. He was a genius in his time, but that doesn't make him a genius today.

Do you think a Harvard Grad today is more intelligent than Galileo? Personally I think one of the biggest lies and one of the biggest myths perpetuated by atheists and secularists is that the ancients were ignorant and superstitious and we are so much more advanced and intelligent.

When in fact the average person in the past had a far more grasp on general knowledge than the average person of today.
In the past many many average people had a basic understanding of astronomy, construction, animal husbandry, agriculture, music and arts and crafts. I think a reasonale argument can be made that we may more educated but not necessarily more intelligent.

The average educated person of the past was much more grounded and well rounded than today's graduate for those of the past were fairly well trained in the sciences, the arts, literature and theology. This is indisputable

Was that ever a myth???

Most assuredly there indeed is....its used to explain our resistance to the THEORY of evolution, in specific MACRO evolution which is a complete crock!

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I tried to count the logical fallacies in your argument and I ran out of fingers.

Considering you're an atheist, I have but little regard for that which you consider logical, if you don't mind me saying so.
Anyone who BELIEVES without admitting they BELIEVE is not someone I could respect as one with a firm grasp of reality logic or reason

Sorry

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So much for the myth of the so called scientifically illiterate Christians

What the fuck are you talking about? Of course there were Christian literate scientists, and there still are. So are there Muslim science literates, Buddhist science literates, and non science literates. Likewise for the illiterate.

Atheism has nothing to do with science. Neither does religion.

Atheism if you'd be honest has everything to do with a BELIEF in nothing or a BELIEF in not BELIEVING, however you slice it a belief and I will cede you one point.

Atheism has absolutely nothing to do with science because science is based upon knowledge and atheism is not

Thanks

[Tiberius]

Then there are different types of atheists I suppose or you're in a different category by yourself for as you should know, believing requires an admitting that one not knows for a fact. This is the main argument atheists use against our belief in God or in fact any god.... is it not? If you are admitting belief in something you cannot prove exists then you are a believer same as I. You believe in chance I believe in God...see what I mean?

I come across people like you often. They assume that their view of what an atheist is is the correct view, without even asking atheists. It's this type of stereotypical reasoning that you came here and accused us of, and yet now you find that none of us agree with the blanket statements you make about us. Here is a life tip for you; how about instead of making assumptions based on stereotypes, you first come and ask what we believe? The best theist members we've had here aren't the ones that make assumptions about atheism, but the ones who honestly want to know what we believe.

So no, I deny that the main argument against belief in God is that it's a belief and not fact. Beliefs have the capabilities of being true, so the existence of God is possible; I do not deny this. My reasoning for not believing in God stems from logical arguments and the nature of the beings claimed to be gods.

Yes, I'm a believer the same as you. I believe in many things, science, philosophy, logic, the enlightenment, etc. I am the sum of what I believe, as everyone is. Believing I don't have any problems with; believing on faith alone I do.

And no, I don't believe in "chance".

The question is this... how many Mensa's have actually done something beneficial to world history that improves the quality of life for humankind? I submit to you relatively few proportionately in comparison to Christians. Bottom line intelligence and IQ is only part of the equation of wholly integral productively functioning human being... don't you agree?

IQ is an important part of the equation, but I accept that it isn't the only part. People can contribute to society in more ways than just inventing something. However, the only reason we have advanced technologically and been able to live in stabilized cultures is because of the research and work done by Mensa-level people. Through their work, we have better methods of farming where we are able to produce more food for people, better levels of healthcare so that we are able to heal people quickly as well as prevent deaths from injury and infection. Even the invention of the internet has meant that more people have been in contact, meaning people on opposite sides of the world can work together in realtime, a feat simply not capable any other way.

Do you think a Harvard Grad today is more intelligent than Galileo? Personally I think one of the biggest lies and one of the biggest myths perpetuated by atheists and secularists is that the ancients were ignorant and superstitious and we are so much more advanced and intelligent.

The ancients weren't ignorant, but the vast majority of them were highly superstitious. Even the Greeks, who gave us so much of philosophy, believed in multiple gods that were responsible for a variety of different natural phenomena. We are so much more advanced and intelligence because we used science and reasoning to learn things about the natural world. It is through this that we have learned about the universe, not through any of the ancient methods.

When in fact the average person in the past had a far more grasp on general knowledge than the average person of today.
In the past many many average people had a basic understanding of astronomy, construction, animal husbandry, agriculture, music and arts and crafts. I think a reasonale argument can be made that we may more educated but not necessarily more intelligent.

A grasp of general knowledge is ultimately useless when you want to succeed in something. Education today is focussed on specialisation, not generalisation, because we need people who know a lot about a specific subject.

Our astronomers do not need to learn about music; it is irrelevant to their subject.

I disagree with your point about intelligence. Studies show we are gaining around 3 IQ points on average every 10 years. Our IQs are far greater than those of the ancients, and our level of technology shows this.

Most assuredly there indeed is....its used to explain our resistance to the THEORY of evolution, in specific MACRO evolution which is a complete crock!

Could you explain why you have capitalised the word "theory". To me, this is the standard argument which revolves around the mis-definition of the word when used in the context of science, but I might be wrong.

Could you further explain why evolution is complete crock? It is wrong to highlight a problem with "macro" evolution, since macro evolution is micro evolution over longer periods of time. If you dispute macros evolution, you either dispute evolution as a whole, or the time periods involved. So, how old do you think the universe / earth is?

[tavarish]

In before God did it 6k years ago.

I really think someone's having a laugh with this.

[Violet]

The question is this... how many Mensa's have actually done something beneficial to world history that improves the quality of life for humankind? I submit to you relatively few proportionately in comparison to Christians. Bottom line intelligence and IQ is only part of the equation of wholly integral productively functioning human being... don't you agree?

I think that graph says it all.

[bibleabc123]

The question is this... how many Mensa's have actually done something beneficial to world history that improves the quality of life for humankind? I submit to you relatively few proportionately in comparison to Christians. Bottom line intelligence and IQ is only part of the equation of wholly integral productively functioning human being... don't you agree?

I think that graph says it all.

Hope not because honestly its just a dumb graph that says what you want it to say....which is quite frankly insipidly silly.

The ignorance of atheism is only further magnified when we discuss space because you guys don't even yet have a clue of life on earth!!

[tavarish]

The question is this... how many Mensa's have actually done something beneficial to world history that improves the quality of life for humankind? I submit to you relatively few proportionately in comparison to Christians. Bottom line intelligence and IQ is only part of the equation of wholly integral productively functioning human being... don't you agree?

I think that graph says it all.

Hope not because honestly its just a dumb graph that says what you want it to say....which is quite frankly insipidly silly.

The ignorance of atheism is only further magnified when we discuss space because you guys don't even yet have a clue of life on earth!!

You sound like Edward Current.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glRAN_8CkvQ

[Violet]

Is that guy a fucking poe, or is he really that fucking stupid? hock:

[tavarish]

Is that guy a fucking poe, or is he really that fucking stupid? hock:

He's being facetious. It's also pretty funny when people take him seriously. He has lots more vids, and all of them are just as funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pusSNjBd8do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkhQLt1vb...5D7E2A5011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkCuc34hv...5D7E2A5011

[bibleabc123]

The best theist members we've had here aren't the ones that make assumptions about atheism, but the ones who honestly want to know what we believe.

Oh you have a rating system for believers do you? Personally I'm just thrilled to meet one of you who freely admits you believe. Knowing you are a fellow believer simply makes my day!

My reasoning for not believing in God stems from logical arguments and the nature of the beings claimed to be gods.

May I share with you that you may have a reason for not believing but there is no reasoning that can justify what you do believe. Your non belief is a belief because you simply do not know... and cannot!

Believing I don't have any problems with; believing on faith alone I do.

So you say but in the end, if you'd be honest you'd understand all you have is faith. For a fact tomorrow is not promised so it logically follows that your plans for tomorrow are based on nothing but faith.

And no, I don't believe in "chance".

If you do not believe in Intelligence as a first cause you indeed believe in random chance and dumb luck. Lacking a belief in an Intelligent 1st Cause.... lady luck is in fact your god by default.
I have more admiration and respect for someone who has a different understanding of God as the 1st Cause but those of you who embrace the idiocy of order out of disorder, systems out of chaos, intelligence out of a void, spontaneous generation and abiogenesis ...these things are pure impractical silliness and only an "intellectually" dishonest person would consider these things as intelligent

Through their work, we have better methods of farming where we are able to produce more food for people, better levels of healthcare so that we are able to heal people quickly as well as prevent deaths from injury and infection.

Huh? Are you talking about the people who invented the carcinogens we haven't identified yet? Where is the intelligence? Are you talking about the increase in Alzheimer's and heart disease? What are you talking about our ability to keep people hooked up to machines longer so that people who do not believe in God can decide who can be unplugged and when?
Oh yea please name a few Mensa's that would be listed among the most notable for improving life on planet earth. Would any of them be Gandhi, MLK or Mandela, how about Abe Lincoln, William Wilberforce or Mother Teresa? Geesh!

Even the invention of the internet has meant that more people have been in contact, meaning people on opposite sides of the world can work together in realtime, a feat simply not capable any other way.

And the quality of life is improving because of the internet? Don't get me wrong its great I use it on a regular basis but....please get serious.

The daggone Mayan Temples and the Great Pyramid of Giza are have more substantively to offer than the world wide web are you kidding me?

Content is what makes the web either good or bad and even that cannot produce greatness. You simply have confused education and intellect with wisdom and human purpose

My God this is interesting because you're actually a logical reasoning believer!!!


You really should consider becoming a Rosicrucian, a Free Mason an Illuminati or in some organization that aligns the knowledge of the material, spiritual and metaphysical realms

Those are the breeding ground for the most intellectually astute logical reasoning believers.

I assure you atheism is a shallow wasteland for insincere believers for most atheists are believers who have not yet reached a point of being honest with themselves

Sorry

[tavarish]

Atheism is a belief.

The Bible is true.

God exists.

Smart people haven't done anything productive for mankind.

Temples and Pyramids have more to offer mankind than the entire internet.




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