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SteveII · February 5, 2015 at 3:02 pm

If your conclusion is that Christianity is recycled myths and then your argument for that is "we don't know how Christianity started", a discussion becomes impossible and even the recycled myth hypothesis can't be reasoned. I can't argue the negative because most of you will allow me no facts to formulate any type of premise that won't be struck down with "prove it".

**Foxaèr** · February 5, 2015 at 3:09 pm

(February 5, 2015 at 3:02 pm)SteveII Wrote: I can't argue the negative because most of you will allow me no facts to formulate any type of premise that won't be struck down with "prove it".

If you cannot prove it, then they are not facts are they?

**robvalue** · (This post was last modified: February 5, 2015 at 3:13 pm by robvalue.)

Evidence is what helps us decide what is likely, and what is made up crap.

You know, like theists do when dealing with any other subject than religion.

How are those alien abductees doing?

Fidel_Castronaut · February 5, 2015 at 3:23 pm

(February 5, 2015 at 3:02 pm)SteveII Wrote: If your conclusion is that Christianity is recycled myths and then your argument for that is "we don't know how Christianity started", a discussion becomes impossible and even the recycled myth hypothesis can't be reasoned. I can't argue the negative because most of you will allow me no facts to formulate any type of premise that won't be struck down with "prove it".

But that's just the point - we don't know do we? And neither do you.

We are speculating and hypothesizing, but like you we're thin on any sort of evidence either way. It simply appears to be more likely that things occurred more in line with the whole collusion and invention hypothesis than it does the literal son of god hypothesis, based on the lack of evidence either way and the knowledge of power-centric political and religious philosophies work.

That's it. We have to look at the facts rather than taking the word prima facie.

**robvalue** · February 5, 2015 at 3:26 pm

Put it this way: what would I have to do to prove to you that I'm God? Right in front of you? What would suffice?

Norman Humann · February 5, 2015 at 3:27 pm

(February 5, 2015 at 3:09 pm)Sionnach Wrote:
(February 5, 2015 at 3:02 pm)SteveII Wrote: I can't argue the negative because most of you will allow me no facts to formulate any type of premise that won't be struck down with "prove it".

If you cannot prove it, then they are not facts are they?

Shhh... that's logic. It's heresy.

Tonus · February 5, 2015 at 3:33 pm

(February 4, 2015 at 8:04 pm)SteveII Wrote: I'm sorry. There was several posts in a row that more than suggested I back up my position that believing Jesus never existed is a minority view.

This gets tiring, this disingenuous appeal to scholars who agree that there was a man on whom the Jesus myth was based. How many of those scholars believe that he was a normal human being who died and is dead, and how many of them believe that he was god incarnate, and now sits on his heavenly throne? It's painful to watch you guys trot out "evidence" that amounts to "someone agrees that these people saw something, but it's clear that their memories are pretty fucked up."

We know Elvis Presley existed. If a cult grew around a myth where he became the almighty god of the universe, the fact that he existed as a human at some point wouldn't be evidence of the claim that he became god. It's just evidence that some people will believe whatever they're told and that there isn't a lie so audacious that you can't suck in a shitload of gullible newbs.

**robvalue** · (This post was last modified: February 5, 2015 at 3:35 pm by robvalue.)

Man or God? I still don't know which case steve is argueing. It seems suspiciously like prove the man, get the God for free.

None of us give a fuck if there really was some bone headed rabbi spouting nonsense about being the son of God.

Thumpalumpacus · February 5, 2015 at 3:40 pm

(February 5, 2015 at 3:02 pm)SteveII Wrote: If your conclusion is that Christianity is recycled myths and then your argument for that is "we don't know how Christianity started", a discussion becomes impossible and even the recycled myth hypothesis can't be reasoned.

Who has argued that we don't know how Christianity started?

(February 5, 2015 at 3:02 pm)SteveII Wrote: I can't argue the negative because most of you will allow me no facts to formulate any type of premise that won't be struck down with "prove it".

Yeah, that evidence thing is a bitch. Welcome to rationality.

LastPoet · February 5, 2015 at 3:50 pm

If a man sparked or not, the dimwitted bullshit that have been spread on the last 2 millenia, at the cost of many valuable lives, is really not the point.

Theists want to believe in magic, it is what a god, simply is. Magic that they think somehow excuses them of real moral responsabilities. Someone said this about corporation, but I found that religion is more deserving:

Quote:Religion - noun - an ingenious device made so that one can take moral actions without personal responsability

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