F the word "Miraculous" Taipei plane crash.

[JuliaL]

Fox is reporting the pilot may have shut down the good engine by mistake.

Doesn't sound too much like a miracle, more like a fuck up now.

My Bolding.

Also is one reason why I didn't hear about the wrong engine shutdown.
I don't watch Fox, excessive revulsion factor. I get nauseous.
Reuters is reporting similar.
5(!) stall warnings and they didn't put the nose down! They must have been otherwise occupied.

[vorlon13]

putting nose down when you are low over buildings is scary

[FreeTony]

I fully agree with your assessment based on my limited information.
Where did you hear that it was the right engine which failed? All I heard was the report of a flameout without specifying which side.

BBC were reporting it based on the initial FDR data. According to them the right engine actually spooled back to idle, but without showing any typical indications of failure. This is possibly what caused the confusion, although there could well be more to it than that

I don't like to criticise fellow pilots without all the information, and these things are a lot easier to diagnose afterwards than at the time. There was also a training captain on the jumpseat, and I can't imagine why he wouldn't have noticed them shutting down the wrong engine - it's a lot easier to see these things when you're not flying the aircraft. This is why I suspect it was a little more complicated. It would worry me greatly if 3 pilots shut down the wrong engine.

Unfortunately safety standards in some parts of the world aren't the same as in the West, in terms of training and maintenance.

[JuliaL]

putting nose down when you are low over buildings is scary

Nose high and with a high workload, they may have not been able to see and were avoiding buildings that they had to imagine. I know I would have been quite worried by the airplane telling me it was about to quit flying and start falling.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Within seconds of takeoff, the TransAsia Airways plane that went down in a dramatic and deadly crash in Taipei Wednesday was already in trouble. Investigators say the turboprop plane's right engine lost thrust 37 seconds into the flight, and that the left one failed to restart not long afterwards.

The full details of what went wrong are not yet known; investigators say they're presenting some of the early findings from the "black box" flight data recorder that was recovered from the Keelung River. The pilot and co-pilot, who died in the cockpit, have been hailed as heroes for guiding their stricken aircraft away from populated areas.

"The first engine experienced a problem 37 seconds after takeoff at 1,200 feet," Aviation Safety Council managing director Thomas Wang said at a briefing Friday. He added that the plane is capable of flying on one engine.

More on Wang's briefing from Australia's ABC:

"He said the plane warned five times of stalling before it crashed in the center of Taipei.
"The right engine first entered a state called 'auto-feather,' in which it reduced thrust to the propeller.
"The flight crew then reduced acceleration on the left engine and attempted to restart it, but it did not gain enough thrust."
The plane went down with 58 people aboard; 15 survived. So far, officials say, the death toll from the crash stands at 35, with search and recovery efforts still under way. More than 20 of those who died "were from two Chinese tour groups that were on their way back home," the Taipei Times reports.

The plane that crashed was less than a year old, reports the China Post:

"The ATR72 model was one of the five that TransAsia had purchased only last April from France. The specific plane that crashed yesterday had a new engine fitted in Macau when it was being transferred to Taiwan from France due to a faulty engine, said TransAsia."
Because of the crash, Taiwan's aviation administration will bar TransAsia Airways from seeking new international air routes for one year, the Taipei Times reports, extending a ban the airline was already under due to a plane crash last July. An official adds that the airline could face severe punishment if it is found to have violated safety regulations.

The TransAsia flight that crashed in July, killing 48 people, was also an ATR 72 plane; it had been in service since 2000.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015...th-engines