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RE: So did Atheism + bite the dust?
February 8, 2015 at 1:38 pm
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(February 8, 2015 at 1:33 pm)abaris Wrote: (February 8, 2015 at 8:20 am)TheMessiah Wrote: It seems so --- unless I'm mistaken, a lot of Feminazi Social Justice Warriors tried to hijack the Atheist community and it got ugly; but it seems that it's gone now and things reverted to the way they were.
Is it?
Oh well. Your Rush Limbough attitude and choice of wording doesn't exactly make you case. If there even is one.
Not gonna take this seriously. The problem with the OP isn't just the wording, it's the fact these people aren't even taken seriously. I have no knowledge on the atheist movement being high-jacked or poisoned by outside groups - Like someone said previously, few people are even adhering to this movement ---> From my experience this isn't just a radical branch of feminism, it's a lot of unfounded criticism on people who hold more social power regardless of how good or bad those people really are - Rich people, white people, straight people, etc.
Quote:As far as gaming being under threat by these people, that's bullshit plain and simple. If gamers want their hobby to be treated seriously - to be treated as art as so many claim it is - then it's fair game for critique on those levels. That includes feminist critique. And, despite gaming slowly becoming more inclusive across the board, it is still overwhelmingly misogynistic. It's still overwhelmingly whitewashed. It still has miles to go in including and fairly depicting LGBT people. That doesn't mean games are bad and that you should feel bad, but that you should be aware of what the game is saying - both explicitly and implicitly.
I agree with this (I'm a gamer) - I think the gaming community is very hostile to any criticism whether it is against representation or simply violence related to games. Gamers hate when games get criticized for doing something poorly. I think we shouldn't do that - We should listen to constructive criticism. If people want gamers to be art, you can't expect to be taken seriously when you shut all criticism.
Quote:The rest of GamerGate is just idiots not understanding how the media works. They saw headlines like "Gaming/Gamers is/are dead" as an actual fact or threat instead of the hyperbolic hooks they actually were. And even funnier, gaming as a lot of gamers knew it is dead. Far more women and older people are playing than ever before. Gaming 'dies' every 10-15 years. I know. I've seen it. First, it was the arcades as home PCs became popular and affordable. Then PC gaming as consoles overtook them, and were far easier to deal with. Then, it was the advent of the cool gamer - the frat boys playing Halo and Madden and the decline of action/adventure/role-playing games. Now? It's older casual gamers almost split equally between the sexes. And, it's not like those previous generations are completely gone. PC gaming, for example, has made a huge comeback thanks to Steam and modern plug-and-play/autodetect technology.
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Quote:But, yeah... whenever I hear "SJWs are ruining it (whatever it may be) for everyone else," my immediate reaction is that the person complaining was acting like a dickhead and didn't like being called out on it. It may not be a fair first impression, but after dealing with GamerGate people, that's where I go.[/hide]
Yeah, I think the term gets thrown unjustly many times. Giving the easy example of a woman saying she doesn't like being harassed and a man says "that's a compliment you bitch; that's a first world problem fuck you feminazi".
I have seen stupidity coming from both hardcore SJ and hardcore anti-SJ (right wing libertarians and so on) and honestly I don't associate with either.
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RE: So did Atheism + bite the dust?
February 8, 2015 at 2:14 pm
(February 8, 2015 at 9:20 am)Lucanus Wrote: Well, if you go to FSTDT there are quotes that justify the usage of the word 'feminazi', like this .
That has got to be satire.
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RE: So did Atheism + bite the dust?
February 8, 2015 at 2:17 pm
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(February 8, 2015 at 1:38 pm)Sionnach Wrote: (February 8, 2015 at 11:33 am)TheMessiah Wrote: Social Justice Warriors claim to be morally superior and claim to fight for Social Justice, yet they harass people who disagree because they believe the ends justify the means.
Sometimes, in a world where one's rational voice is almost never heard over the irrational politics of the elite, it is quite justifiable to make the ends meet the means. When simply roaring does nothing to enact change, one must bring out the claws.
This is not the caste with Atheism + because they were not arguing against religion, they were complaining about issues which do not have anything the fuck to do with Atheism.
Basically an irrational group believing the ends of their warped version of how the politics of a community should be meaning the means are justified.
Watch this video which demonstrates SJW's are far more toxic than pro-Gamer Gate (a response to whoever mentioned SJW's and GamerGate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5zKunaiCQw
(February 8, 2015 at 1:33 pm)abaris Wrote: (February 8, 2015 at 8:20 am)TheMessiah Wrote: It seems so --- unless I'm mistaken, a lot of Feminazi Social Justice Warriors tried to hijack the Atheist community and it got ugly; but it seems that it's gone now and things reverted to the way they were.
Is it?
Oh well. Your Rush Limbough attitude and choice of wording doesn't exactly make you case. If there even is one.
Not gonna take this seriously.
I don't remember ''making a case'' --- I asked a question.
And the term Feminazi, is obviously not literal but it's pretty widely used to help differentiate radical Feminist man-haters to those who simply want equality.
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RE: So did Atheism + bite the dust?
February 8, 2015 at 2:22 pm
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(February 8, 2015 at 2:17 pm)TheMessiah Wrote: they were complaining about issues which do not have anything the fuck to do with Atheism.
Atheism is just the disbelief in a supernatural deity. You seem to be hinging irrationally on this title of atheism as though it is a veritable organization when it is merely a title. If anything, these social justice warriors who call themselves atheists are fighting in the name of humanism. In no way do I feel my humanism threatened by them referring to themselves as atheists.
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RE: So did Atheism + bite the dust?
February 8, 2015 at 2:22 pm
(February 8, 2015 at 2:14 pm)whateverist Wrote: (February 8, 2015 at 9:20 am)Lucanus Wrote: Well, if you go to FSTDT there are quotes that justify the usage of the word 'feminazi', like this .
That has got to be satire.
Poe's law, man... We'll never know 
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RE: So did Atheism + bite the dust?
February 8, 2015 at 2:24 pm
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Oh, I'm pro-Gamer Gate by the way - it's not bull, The Escapist, The Verge, IGN, Destructoid and several other sites have updated their ethics policy. And I am glad I took part and still take part in Gamer Gate.
(February 8, 2015 at 2:22 pm)Sionnach Wrote: (February 8, 2015 at 2:17 pm)TheMessiah Wrote: they were complaining about issues which do not have anything the fuck to do with Atheism.
Atheism is just the disbelief in a supernatural deity. You seem to be hinging irrationally on this title of atheism as though it is a veritable organization when it is merely a title. If anything, these social justice warriors who call themselves atheists are fighting in the name of humanism. In no way do I feel my humanism threatened by them referring to themselves as atheists.
...I know what Atheism means. I am an Atheist and Anti-Theist, but again, please read the link Cato gave in regards to Atheism +; it was a group of Atheists who were attempting to force their political opinions on people.
http://www.skepticink.com/avant-garde/20...-atheists/
^ I'm using the term irrational in regards to the actions done by Atheism + shown in that link, not their disbelief in a deity
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RE: So did Atheism + bite the dust?
February 8, 2015 at 2:27 pm
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(February 8, 2015 at 2:14 pm)whateverist Wrote: (February 8, 2015 at 9:20 am)Lucanus Wrote: Well, if you go to FSTDT there are quotes that justify the usage of the word 'feminazi', like this .
That has got to be satire.
um... Castration Day? I rather like the wobbly bits on my husband.  It is possible that the poster was real but it is also possible that the poster was someone who was masquerading as a feminist because that sounds a bit too much like how some on the right stereotype feminism.
Regardless of whether that was a real person or not, anyone who suggests mutilating someone for their cause is an ass.
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RE: So did Atheism + bite the dust?
February 8, 2015 at 2:29 pm
(February 8, 2015 at 2:24 pm)TheMessiah Wrote: it was a group of Atheists who were attempting to force their political opinions on people.
Really, they were holding guns to people's heads, twisting arms?
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RE: So did Atheism + bite the dust?
February 8, 2015 at 2:35 pm
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(February 8, 2015 at 2:29 pm)Sionnach Wrote: (February 8, 2015 at 2:24 pm)TheMessiah Wrote: it was a group of Atheists who were attempting to force their political opinions on people.
Really, they were holding guns to people's heads, twisting arms?
Internet lynch mobs they were.
(February 8, 2015 at 2:27 pm)Nope Wrote: (February 8, 2015 at 2:14 pm)whateverist Wrote: That has got to be satire.
um... Castration Day? I rather like the wobbly bits on my husband. It is possible that the poster was real but it is also possible that the poster was someone who was masquerading as a feminist because that sounds a bit too much like how some on the right stereotype feminism.
Regardless of whether that was a real person or not, anyone who suggests mutilating someone for their cause is an ass.
If you read these Radical Feminist quotes, you will realize that their ideology is not uncommon.
http://www.experienceproject.com/stories...ty/1269918
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RE: So did Atheism + bite the dust?
February 8, 2015 at 2:37 pm
(February 8, 2015 at 2:29 pm)Sionnach Wrote: Really, they were holding guns to people's heads, twisting arms?
They were not, but the drama was too high and IMO they went over the edge, by making a black and white thinking of "us vs them".
I do not concurr completely with their dogma, therefore I'm a male white previleged hetero guy or something evil. I steered clear of them. Better not give idiots more audience than what they deserve.
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