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RE: So did Atheism + bite the dust?
February 8, 2015 at 4:02 pm
TheMessiah Wrote:"No, it hasn't been years...she's still active unfortunately..." Oh noes. Bogeyman! She's under your bed look out!!!
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RE: So did Atheism + bite the dust?
February 8, 2015 at 4:11 pm
(February 8, 2015 at 3:57 pm)Dystopia Wrote: So what? Do you have problems with people expressing their points just because it doesn't fit your criteria of truth?
No, I respect people's right to freedom of speech. The same cannot be said for third-wave Feminists who seek to censor free speech.
Quote:I think she said some very poorly constructed claims like that "we live in a white supremacist society"
I agree.
Quote:But I'm much more on her side not because I agree but because she keeps doing her job (and is probably paid for it) despite all the rape and death threats
Most Gamers in Gamer-Gate have been given threats. I just posted a video, atleast 3 times of a string of Social Justice Warriors saying that all Gamers deserve to die. There was a female gamer called Lizyf620, a member of Gamer-Gate who had to quit because her family was threatened. Anita Sarkeesian is not the only person getting death threats, despite the narrative the media will paint.
Quote:to the point she had to cancel lectures due to terrorist bombing threats.
Actually, an investigation into these threats found them not legitimate.
http://www.avoiceformen.com/allnews/anit...assment-2/
Quote:I protect people who use freedom of speech and hate people who threaten those who use it
Then you should hate Social Justice Warriors, by that logic they censor free-speech. The Atheist + link I showed you illustrated Social Justice Warriors banning and silencing anyone who tried to question them.
Why does Anita condemn Gamer-Gate yet not condemn the more numerous critics who threatened to kill all Gamers?
Quote:Like I hate religious people who threaten atheists for making youtube atheistic videos.
We all do bud...
Quote:- But I give a shit about people who think it's normal and expected for someone to receive death and rape threats
Yeah, like...the majority of Gamers condemned the harassment she faced. But yet again, I ask --- what about the harassment and threats that Gaming critics of Anita faced?
Quote:---> And yeah, she gets those threats because she is a WOMAN - You would never see a male personality in gaming getting so many threats for speaking about gaming in sexism
No, dude. I posted a video numerous times. It flat out shows male-gamers getting death threats; men also get death threats.
I think I've said a number of times but I gave you a video which was a factual compliment of the threats that Gamers have faced, and they are far more numerous than those Anita faced. And yes, many of these Gamers were male.
I cut out the rest of your post because I've already addressed it, but women facing threats online is not a unique phenenom, just about every medium gets death threats.
Richard Dawkins, a so-called ''white privileged male'' by the Atheist + crew gets similar threats.
Anyone can threaten anyone online, and it's damn easy. It is not unique to women.
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RE: So did Atheism + bite the dust?
February 8, 2015 at 4:19 pm
But how often do males get rape threats?
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RE: So did Atheism + bite the dust?
February 8, 2015 at 4:26 pm
(February 8, 2015 at 4:19 pm)Pizz-atheist Wrote: But how often do males get rape threats?
Males don't really get rape threats, when they do, they're surprisingly laughed off as jokes.
But men certainly do get death threads and this is not uncommon. As seen from the evidence posted, which recorded tweets, there were people who not only called for the genocide of Gamers but brutal slaughter.
My friend was doxxed and forced to stop voicing his support for Gamer-Gate because he received messages which threatened his wife and kids.
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RE: So did Atheism + bite the dust?
February 8, 2015 at 4:29 pm
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"Males don't really get rape threats, "
That was our point.
"when they do, they're surprisingly laughed off as jokes."
Women can't because women getting raped is common enough be a real danger.
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RE: So did Atheism + bite the dust?
February 8, 2015 at 4:31 pm
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(February 8, 2015 at 4:29 pm)Pizz-atheist Wrote: "Males don't really get rape threats, "
That was our point.
That's a....strange point.
Not really seeing why death threats aren't as severe, and even if they are less severe, the discrepancy in severity would only be very small.
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RE: So did Atheism + bite the dust?
February 8, 2015 at 4:34 pm
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Quote:No, I respect people's right to freedom of speech. The same cannot be said for third-wave Feminists who seek to censor free speech.
Censorship is a government only tool. I'm gonna need credible evidence - AKA one that is not made by an MRA institution or men's rights activists. I need empirical evidence done by a researcher.
Quote:Most Gamers in Gamer-Gate have been given threats. I just posted a video, atleast 3 times of a string of Social Justice Warriors saying that all Gamers deserve to die. There was a female gamer called Lizyf620, a member of Gamer-Gate who had to quit because her family was threatened. Anita Sarkeesian is not the only person getting death threats, despite the narrative the media will paint.
And how many people really think gamers deserve to die? No one takes that seriously. And there's a difference between insulting a whole group and mailing or commenting on a youtube directly threatening the person.
Quote:Actually, an investigation into these threats found them not legitimate.
http://www.avoiceformen.com/allnews/anit...assment-2/
LOL - I'm not going to take your MRA speech seriously. MRA's are a hate group. They are fuelled by old fashioned logic that wants to put women back in their place. Fuck MRA's and their anecdotal claims
Quote:Then you should hate Social Justice Warriors, by that logic they censor free-speech. The Atheist + link I showed you illustrated Social Justice Warriors banning and silencing anyone who tried to question them.
Actually putting rules in a forum or online place is not censorship - censorship is a GOVERNMENT ONLY tool.
Quote:Why does Anita condemn Gamer-Gate yet not condemn the more numerous critics who threatened to kill all Gamers?
Why do anti-feminists don't give a shit about death and rape threats directed at women?
Quote:Yeah, like...the majority of Gamers condemned the harassment she faced. But yet again, I ask --- what about the harassment and threats that Gaming critics of Anita faced?
Everyone gets criticism, but it's pretty obvious that the frequency of rape threats is somewhat frequent when a woman decides to talk about sexism, because some men want to put women in their place and shit.
Quote:No, dude. I posted a video numerous times. It flat out shows male-gamers getting death threats; men also get death threats.
With unreliable sources.
Quote:I think I've said a number of times but I gave you a video which was a factual compliment of the threats that Gamers have faced, and they are far more numerous than those Anita faced. And yes, many of these Gamers were male.
Your sources are not reliable. MRA's, conservative institutions and thunderf00t.
Quote:I cut out the rest of your post because I've already addressed it, but women facing threats online is not a unique phenenom, just about every medium gets death threats.
Women face threats and harassment far more when they dare to criticize something that is male dominated.
Quote:Richard Dawkins, a so-called ''white privileged male'' by the Atheist + crew gets similar threats.
Dawkins gets threats from everyone including theists.
Quote:Anyone can threaten anyone online, and it's damn easy. It is not unique to women.
No but the frequency of rape threats is disturbing.
(February 8, 2015 at 4:31 pm)TheMessiah Wrote: (February 8, 2015 at 4:29 pm)Pizz-atheist Wrote: "Males don't really get rape threats, "
That was our point.
That's a....strange point.
Not really seeing why death threats aren't as severe, and even if they are less severe, the discrepancy in severity would only be very small.
Because there's already a lot of victim blaming and people who think women deserve rape. If rape threats are common against women it just shows there are men who think women deserve rape as a form of correction and that they are to blame.
Also do you realize that your speech right now is used all around the world by conservatives against every institution that fights for social justice? There's videos all over youtube saying LGBT are evil, that atheists are a cult censoring free speech, that liberals are iluminati, etc. You are using the same speech conservatives use when they say liberals want to censor free speech and are a threat to the world
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RE: So did Atheism + bite the dust?
February 8, 2015 at 4:36 pm
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@ TheMessiah
You must have posted your reply while I was editing this. No big deal
(February 8, 2015 at 4:29 pm)Pizz-atheist Wrote: "Males don't really get rape threats, "
That was our point.
"when they do, they're surprisingly laughed off as jokes."
Women can't because women getting raped is common enough be a real danger.
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RE: So did Atheism + bite the dust?
February 8, 2015 at 4:44 pm
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(February 8, 2015 at 4:36 pm)Pizz-atheist Wrote: @ TheMessiah
You must have posted your reply while I was editing this. No big deal
(February 8, 2015 at 4:29 pm)Pizz-atheist Wrote: "Males don't really get rape threats, "
That was our point.
"when they do, they're surprisingly laughed off as jokes."
Women can't because women getting raped is common enough be a real danger.
?
So is the notion of men (and probably women too) getting murdered. It is a real danger, the homicide rate is still among the highest in the industrialized world for America.
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RE: So did Atheism + bite the dust?
February 8, 2015 at 4:46 pm
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And? And? This is okay to you? I don't understand. Do you agree that people making death threats is undesirable? You're going off on a rant comparing apples to oranges.
I'm asking because you seem to be implying that it's okay for people to make threats to people like Anita. Then you try to downplay the seriousness of the threats.
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