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William Lane Craig continues to desperately defend the indefensible.
RE: William Lane Craig continues to desperately defend the indefensible.
(February 8, 2015 at 7:16 pm)Dystopia Wrote:
(February 8, 2015 at 7:02 pm)Natachan Wrote: No. Just no. I've heard this argument before and it is incredibly weak. Mathematics is a system created by humans. It helps us order things based on how we perceive the universe to work.

The workings of math indicates an intelligent observer. Not an intelligent designer.

If I'm not mistaken, mathematics is the only science where man determines the object - While other sciences already have objects and we just study them. Mathematics is a system created by man based on
observations.


---> To the OP - Arguments from incredulity and ignorance are very common among theists, and it's annoying as hell. I just wish they could recognize there are eminent flaws in not knowing something and reaching the conclusion that "god did it!".

If I am not mistaken,the  mathematics' first principles are priori .Do you have any reason to believe why mathematics is essentially based on observation and not the other way around? Undecided
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RE: William Lane Craig continues to desperately defend the indefensible.
(February 8, 2015 at 4:36 pm)Esquilax Wrote: William Lane Craig, advocate for such amazing arguments as "things have a cause, and the only cause for all things is god," and "I'm going to believe in god no matter what you say!" has once again hunkered down over the remains of his credibility and pinched out another argument all over it: "Math is good at describing things, therefore god!"

Quote:It was very evident to me that [naturalists are not] able to provide any sort of an explanation of mathematics’ applicability to the physical world.…

The theist has explanatory resources that are not available to the rationalist.

Yes, it's another argument from ignorance: "I don't understand why this is so good at what it does, therefore god." Why is this guy still respected in christian circles? It's not like he started off anywhere good, and his arguments have only been dropping out of the fucking sky with increasing frequency... how is he still able to make a living off this?
Craig also says that if Platonism is true, then Christianity would not be true.
And his problem with Platonism is simply theological (i.e. it contradicts the Bible). 
So, there's that.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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