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RE: Best description of Christianity
February 12, 2015 at 3:13 am
(February 12, 2015 at 1:55 am)Huggy74 Wrote: (February 12, 2015 at 1:51 am)Stimbo Wrote: Based on the basic principle of Hitchens' Razor, but more on the fact that you don't get to tell me I can't.
just so we are clear, are you stating that extra terrestrial life doesn't exist?
Nope. Not even close to what I'm stating. I'm not even addressing any hypothetical claim to a UFO encounter. You asked who could tell you that your experience didn't happen; my answer was factually accurate. Now if you were to offer some evidence of your experience, that's something we can actually assess. But you don't get to shift the burden of proof just because you feel like it, or because it's inconvenient for you.
Just so we're clear.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Best description of Christianity
February 12, 2015 at 3:16 am
It's not our fault you refuse to learn about evolution.
There is no excuse for ignorance. You're already on the Internet. All you need to do is go to actual, credible sources. Not apologist sites.
If you don't, no one who knows anything will take you seriously. It's up to you.
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RE: Best description of Christianity
February 12, 2015 at 3:17 am
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(February 12, 2015 at 3:02 am)Huggy74 Wrote: (February 12, 2015 at 2:36 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: Yes. Because I'm not crazy and I know my eyes and even my brain can deceive me. That's why we have science, which is based on replicable experiments and evidence.
Really? You do realize that one species of animal has never been observed to evolve into a completely different species, nor has it ever been replicated, yet you believe it's possible.
Since you describe yourself as a god first, non-religious xtian I wonder how you can be so certain evolution, plate tectonics and big bangs can't be an accurate description of the past. Why do you saddle yourself with such an antiquated point of view?
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RE: Best description of Christianity
February 12, 2015 at 3:23 am
(This post was last modified: February 12, 2015 at 3:24 am by Thumpalumpacus.)
Invented by the ignorant to explain the unknown, hijacked by the greedy to fleece the gullible.
One word long, I know, but it works for me.
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RE: Best description of Christianity
February 12, 2015 at 3:42 am
(February 12, 2015 at 3:13 am)Stimbo Wrote: (February 12, 2015 at 1:55 am)Huggy74 Wrote: just so we are clear, are you stating that extra terrestrial life doesn't exist?
Nope. Not even close to what I'm stating. I'm not even addressing any hypothetical claim to a UFO encounter. You asked who could tell you that your experience didn't happen; my answer was factually accurate. Now if you were to offer some evidence of your experience, that's something we can actually assess. But you don't get to shift the burden of proof just because you feel like it, or because it's inconvenient for you.
Just so we're clear. You miss the point, whether or not YOU believe a person had an experience or not is irrelevant, the universe doesn't revolve around Stimbo. So unless you claim to know all the secrets of the universe, you can't tell anyone X or Y doesn't exist, especially if the experience is unique to them.
It's your right to disagree with someone, but you don't get to tell someone what is possible or impossible, when the limits of what's possible have never been discovered.
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RE: Best description of Christianity
February 12, 2015 at 3:52 am
(This post was last modified: February 12, 2015 at 3:55 am by Homeless Nutter.)
(February 12, 2015 at 3:42 am)Huggy74 Wrote: You miss the point, whether or not YOU believe a person had an experience or not is irrelevant, the universe doesn't revolve around Stimbo. [...]
Oh really? Do you have proof it doesn't? I didn't think so. Once we go down the road of unfalsifiability ANYONE can tell ANYONE anything.
I have no more problems believing the world revolves around Stimbo, than that it revolves around some made-up entity. It's possible (as in - can't be disproved right this minute) that Stimbo is God and he's testing you. I hope you're on your knees right now - just in case...
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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RE: Best description of Christianity
February 12, 2015 at 3:55 am
It's funny how only the desirable unfalsifiable claims are "credible" to people while all others are "made up".
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RE: Best description of Christianity
February 12, 2015 at 3:57 am
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(February 12, 2015 at 3:16 am)robvalue Wrote: It's not our fault you refuse to learn about evolution.
There is no excuse for ignorance. You're already on the Internet. All you need to do is go to actual, credible sources. Not apologist sites.
If you don't, no one who knows anything will take you seriously. It's up to you.
First of all, Evolution has never been put to the scientific test seeing how the first step in the scientific method is observation, please point out the article, where anyone has observed one specie of animal evolving into a completely different specie.
(February 12, 2015 at 3:52 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: (February 12, 2015 at 3:42 am)Huggy74 Wrote: You miss the point, whether or not YOU believe a person had an experience or not is irrelevant, the universe doesn't revolve around Stimbo. [...]
Oh really? Do you have proof it doesn't? I didn't think so. Once we go down the road of unfalsifiability ANYONE can tell ANYONE anything.
I have no more problems believing the world revolves around Stimbo, than that it revolves around some made-up entity. It's possible (as in - can't be disproved right this minute) that Stimbo is God and he's testing you. I hope you're on your knees right now - just in case... I think the fact that it was here long before Stimbo, is proof enough.
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RE: Best description of Christianity
February 12, 2015 at 4:01 am
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Right, and what is an "entirely different species" according to your definition?
Evolution has indeed been observed, using actual, real scientific methods and meaningful definitions of speciation.
Here's an article. Are you going to read it?
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
If you expect to see a dog give birth to an owl then you simply have no idea about the very basics of evolution.
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RE: Best description of Christianity
February 12, 2015 at 4:12 am
(This post was last modified: February 12, 2015 at 4:29 am by Homeless Nutter.)
(February 12, 2015 at 3:57 am)Huggy74 Wrote: First of all, Evolution has never been put to the scientific test seeing how the first step in the scientific method is observation, please point out the article, where anyone has observed one specie of animal evolving into a completely different specie.
Do you realize the time-frame in which organisms evolve? And yes - we have been observing evolutionary steps for the past 150 years. How come bacteria develop resistance to antibiotcs? Through the power of Jebus? Or observable and quantify-able mutations in DNA?
And if species can change at all (which you seem to believe, hence the "completely different specie" clause) through mutation in relatively short time, depending on the complexity of organism in question - what exactly would stop those small changes from accumulating over hundreds of millions years, for the species to become "completely differnt"?
Evolution is perfectly falsifiable. Show me a human fossil from triassic era, or a dinosaur one from Pre-cambrian and we can talk.
Your problem - and it's a very common one - seems to be, that you can't imagine time-scale, that's million times longer than your life and space larger than your neighborhood... And of course - you're afraid of death, so you want to believe anything that suggests you won't die.
(February 12, 2015 at 3:57 am)Huggy74 Wrote: I think the fact that it was here long before Stimbo, is proof enough.
Nope. Omnipotent, all-knowing Stimbo - or any other god - could have created the world and you 20 min ago, with all the beliefs and memories already implanted in you. Prove that he didn't. (Hint: it's another unfalsifiable claim, just like existence of any god).
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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