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RE: Christians, where does your allegiance lie? - Jesus Christ or Bible
February 10, 2015 at 1:24 am
(February 10, 2015 at 12:56 am)Drich Wrote: Seriously? An unbibled version of Jesus is (to borrow a term from the atheist) makes whatever is claiming to be Christ 'unfalsefiable.' This being in essence is described by the book of revelation as not/anti-christ.
This 'not-christ' will present with many signs and wonders, but will not conform to the biblical teachings of Jesus. Just as your little senerio says.
So which will I follow?
I serve and worship the God of the bible and not the anti-christ it warns is comming.
So basically, if you ever see Jesus learning anything or revising his position on any subject, you'll just think it's the devil. In your mind, the anti-christ coming to visit you personally is more likely than Jesus Christ learning.
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RE: Christians, where does your allegiance lie? - Jesus Christ or Bible
February 10, 2015 at 4:36 am
(February 10, 2015 at 12:56 am)Drich Wrote: Seriously? An unbibled version of Jesus is (to borrow a term from the atheist) makes whatever is claiming to be Christ 'unfalsefiable.' This being in essence is described by the book of revelation as not/anti-christ.
This 'not-christ' will present with many signs and wonders, but will not conform to the biblical teachings of Jesus. Just as your little senerio says.
So which will I follow?
I serve and worship the God of the bible and not the anti-christ it warns is comming.
The crux of my question is not to investigate if it's Satan, the Anti-Christ or some other tarnished angel.
I clearly mentioned in my post to assume its the real deal.
Once again, which is it, Drich?
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RE: Christians, where does your allegiance lie? - Jesus Christ or Bible
February 10, 2015 at 4:39 am
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Haha. I got all this swerving when I asked theists if they would kill their family if God told them to. Some questions they are just never gonna answer because their brain won't accept either response.
God would never do that!!
Except, you know, that he already did do that.
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RE: Christians, where does your allegiance lie? - Jesus Christ or Bible
February 10, 2015 at 5:58 am
(February 10, 2015 at 4:39 am)robvalue Wrote: Haha. I got all this swerving when I asked theists if they would kill their family if God told them to. Some questions they are just never gonna answer because their brain won't accept either response.
God would never do that!!
Except, you know, that he already did do that.
That's a feedback loop of cognitive dissonance. Well played!
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RE: Christians, where does your allegiance lie? - Jesus Christ or Bible
February 10, 2015 at 8:32 am
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(February 10, 2015 at 1:24 am)Esquilax Wrote: (February 10, 2015 at 12:56 am)Drich Wrote: Seriously? An unbibled version of Jesus is (to borrow a term from the atheist) makes whatever is claiming to be Christ 'unfalsefiable.' This being in essence is described by the book of revelation as not/anti-christ.
This 'not-christ' will present with many signs and wonders, but will not conform to the biblical teachings of Jesus. Just as your little senerio says.
So which will I follow?
I serve and worship the God of the bible and not the anti-christ it warns is comming.
So basically, if you ever see Jesus learning anything or revising his position on any subject, you'll just think it's the devil. In your mind, the anti-christ coming to visit you personally is more likely than Jesus Christ learning.
It's at least more likely than Drich learning and adjusting his outlook.
(February 10, 2015 at 4:39 am)robvalue Wrote: Haha. I got all this swerving when I asked theists if they would kill their family if God told them to. Some questions they are just never gonna answer because their brain won't accept either response.
God would never do that!!
Except, you know, that he already did do that.
Apparently god got some counseling between the OT and the NT. He is a much nicer guy now. Doesn't mean you should tug on His cape or fuck with him, you know? A guy like that could turn in an instant.
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RE: Christians, where does your allegiance lie? - Jesus Christ or Bible
February 10, 2015 at 8:43 am
(February 9, 2015 at 10:10 pm)Forsaken Wrote: 3) consider this as Satan trying to deceive you by dressing up as Jesus? When I was a Christian I would have probably chalked it up to that one. I don't see how the other two could work. To deny Jesus and accept the Bible is a nonstarter, and to deny the Bible makes Jesus essentially a complete unknown.
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RE: Christians, where does your allegiance lie? - Jesus Christ or Bible
February 10, 2015 at 8:47 am
(This post was last modified: February 10, 2015 at 8:51 am by Drich.)
(February 10, 2015 at 1:24 am)Esquilax Wrote: (February 10, 2015 at 12:56 am)Drich Wrote: Seriously? An unbibled version of Jesus is (to borrow a term from the atheist) makes whatever is claiming to be Christ 'unfalsefiable.' This being in essence is described by the book of revelation as not/anti-christ.
This 'not-christ' will present with many signs and wonders, but will not conform to the biblical teachings of Jesus. Just as your little senerio says.
So which will I follow?
I serve and worship the God of the bible and not the anti-christ it warns is comming.
So basically, if you ever see Jesus learning anything or revising his position on any subject, you'll just think it's the devil. In your mind, the anti-christ coming to visit you personally is more likely than Jesus Christ learning.
Yes..
Define all knowing.
Now is it possible to 'learn something' if one is all knowing?
(February 10, 2015 at 4:36 am)Forsaken Wrote: (February 10, 2015 at 12:56 am)Drich Wrote: Seriously? An unbibled version of Jesus is (to borrow a term from the atheist) makes whatever is claiming to be Christ 'unfalsefiable.' This being in essence is described by the book of revelation as not/anti-christ.
This 'not-christ' will present with many signs and wonders, but will not conform to the biblical teachings of Jesus. Just as your little senerio says.
So which will I follow?
I serve and worship the God of the bible and not the anti-christ it warns is comming.
The crux of my question is not to investigate if it's Satan, the Anti-Christ or some other tarnished angel.
I clearly mentioned in my post to assume its the real deal.
Once again, which is it, Drich?
Again in the book of revelation, this is exactly how the anti Christ presents. He fools EVERYONE who does not know the God of the bible, because he can do many of the works of Christ. But he is not Christ.
So Again, I serve the God of the bible, and 'god' who does not follow the bible is the devil in disguise.
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RE: Christians, where does your allegiance lie? - Jesus Christ or Bible
February 10, 2015 at 11:11 am
(February 10, 2015 at 8:47 am)Drich Wrote: Define all knowing.
A silly notion about a mythical being. On par with the uber characteristics of the comic book character Superman, only regarding knowledge instead of invulnerability. Just because we can make this shit up doesn't mean it actually exists.
I couldn't begin to define "all knowing". I'm no more qualified to do so than you Drichy boy.
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RE: Christians, where does your allegiance lie? - Jesus Christ or Bible
February 10, 2015 at 11:28 am
All knowing is someone who is a slave to their own powers because they already know everything they are doing to do and can't change it. Bummer!
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RE: Christians, where does your allegiance lie? - Jesus Christ or Bible
February 10, 2015 at 11:30 am
(February 10, 2015 at 8:47 am)Drich Wrote: Yes..
Define all knowing.
Now is it possible to 'learn something' if one is all knowing?
First of all, Jesus was not all knowing:
Matthew 24:36 Wrote:But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
And in Mark 5:30, Jesus asks a question for which he doesn't know the answer, and when he isn't supplied an answer, he looks for one. So the basis of what you're saying is flat out wrong.
Second of all, an all knowing person could certainly change their position on something; they still have a personality, after all, and that's mutable over time. There's no reason an omniscient person couldn't grow and mature. And if Jesus couldn't learn something, then he's certainly not all powerful. Therein lies the trilemma theodicy attempts to solve.
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