Christian- 90% of us suck

[SteelCurtain]

Denny!

Really hope you stick around and contribute!

[Thumpalumpacus]

Hi there.

[Mister Agenda]

Basically I still believe in God, but this 'infallibility' bullshit that Muslims and Christians believe is the root of all evil. Fuck these creationists and new-Earth activists that demand evidence, then reject it because "my book says so."

Bill Maher is not totally right when he says that getting rid of religion would fix global violence, but he's really close. If somehow an absolutely undebiable major contradiction could be proven (to these people that's a literal miracle then maybe this needless attitude of, "I know I'm right because the Bible/Quran says [insert archaic parable]," could be gotten rid of. Remove ideological infallibility complexes and suddenly a conversation between all religions becomes less tense and I really think could cut down on murders worldwide by tens of millions within a few years. But who knows how the hell to do that.

Here are the 2015 DG rankings of the three religious "groups" with the shittiest people based on forum stuff/real-life interaction:

*Europeans not included because I have no clue
**All Christian groups are American

Allegiance to Others of same Faith
1. Middle East Muslims [For a scary reason?they're way in front]
2. Western Muslims
3. Fundamentalist Christians [these are the crazy strict, mainly midwest/Bible belters. They HATE Catholics]

?= I was informed by s friendly Paki that a proper Muslim ALWAYS defends his fellow brother against non-Muslims. Blame or misdeeds don't matter. He said that my Sunni friend here in USA would be committing a "grave sin" if ISIS kidnapped me and he tried to stop it.

Religious Textual Inerrancy
1. Middle Eastern Muslims
2. Fundamentalist Christians
3. Western Muslims

Worst Attitudes Toward Civil Rights/Liberties
1. Muslims of Middle-Earth
2. Western Muslims
3. Fundamentalist Christians

And finally,
Logic, Reason, and Acceptance of modern science as fact [Worst at top]
1. Fundamentalist Christians (by a lot)
2. Middle Eastern Muslims
3. Tie between Western Muslims, moderate Christians, and Jews

I clearly had too much time on my hands to do this, but there you go.

Welcome to the forum! I'd say it's much lower than 90%. Like many groups, especially large ones, you've got a vocal minority that gest a lot of media attention that makes it seem like they are typical representatives of the group when they are not.

You are who i've been asking for: a regular Christian to balance out our fundamentalist contingent. I hope you don't mind arguing with other Christians, you're more likely to get a workout from Drich and Godschild than from us.

[LastPoet]

Place bets on the time that will take for the christian persecution complex to be shown. Apologies OP, I have lost faith on the 'christian' descriptor.

[FreeTony]

Yeah, it's always nice to see a critically thinking christian.

They seem to end up as Atheists after a few weeks.

[Spooky]

Interesting point of view. Welcome! Glad to have you here.

[Norman Humann]

They seem to end up as Atheists after a few weeks.

But it will be nice for a few weeks :p

[Whateverist]

Looks like a one-timer, but he ran without shitting. Strange.

[Norman Humann]

Give him time. Maybe he'll come back.

It would be nice.

[dennyg]

Welcome aboard progressive xtian person.

If you don't mind a clarifying question so soon upon your arrival, I have one. I'm not going to ask for justification for your belief in god nor challenge your criteria. But I would like to know how you relate to the god you believe in, if in fact you do. I assume you were raised in a way that fostered belief in a god. Nothing wrong with that, I was too. But I guess I wonder what it is that sustains that belief now.

Sorry for the delay. I've been busy.

Tbh, I can't really find any evidence FOR God's existence other than the old reliable: If not God then how did [insert mysterious event] happen?
I like to think that's the point though. If God proved his existence to you then what role is there for faith?
I think a ton of the OT is metaphors and super hyperbole of things that happened so that they are more mythology than history. The NT is easier for me to literally believe, though the miracles can never be proven and require a leap of faith.
In terms of my relation to God, I think that He created natural laws and forces and that, unless maybe in extraordinary circumstances, He doesn't interfere with them. This is how I explain the classic "why do bad things happen to good people?" There are natural processes that God doesn't disrupt, and sometimes bad things happen.
I believe that miracles are possible, but are enacted through the existing laws and forces of the universe. Like the plagues of Exodus: I've researched it enough to know that every plague can be scientifically explained. Even the parting of the Reed (not Red) Sea can be explained by an incoming tsunami.
However the odds of all of these things happening in rapid succession as Moses, with no knowledge of modern science, was warning Pharoah of them, is too little to be pure coincidence. That's how I believe God affects the world: indirectly through nature.

I'll see if there are any more questions to answer.
Thanks guys for the warm welcome.

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Welcome! And, prepare yourself for being told by our more vehement Christians that you're not a "true" Christian.

I'm battle tested. Been called a heretic many times

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Hello, there.

Don't listen to the prof. He's an idiot.

As for you....

Basically I still believe in God

I guess the question is "why?"

I was raised a Christian and as of yet I haven't been able to debunk the existence of God despite always exploring the atheist point of view. You can never prove it though. If I'd been born to atheist parents I 100% guarantee I'd be one too