Blasphemy

[FatAndFaithless]

GC's been slinging some Call-of-Duty-13-year-old-I-fucked-your-mom level shit in the last few days.

[JesusHChrist]

GC is going to make Jacob bleed his own blood! No one does that!

Maybe it is spiritual/virtual blood?

[Jacob(smooth)]

GC's been slinging some Call-of-Duty-13-year-old-I-fucked-your-mom level shit in the last few days.

He has. Its not like him. He's gone from unconsciously passive aggressive to being overtly aggressive aggressive.

We didn't start the flame war...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QyYaPWasos

[Godscreated]

Do I have to remind you that you're the one who brought up the ridiculous accusations about atheists being responsible for sex trafficking (insinuating it's because they're atheists).

Nothing ridiculous about it, don't you ever watch the news, there's some there. Christians have gathered all the info we need to rescue those most unfortunate young ones. You'll blast all Christianity for the American slaves in the south, saying Christians were whole responsible for that terrible deed. When the shoe gets put on the other foot you cry and whine then make jokes about those unfortunate children, you have no shame.

If you were bothered about it you'd refrain from posting such tripe on topics you don't understand.

I understand well enough, well enough not to make a joke out of such atrocities. Compassion should be everyone's main concern here, Christians are trying to help these children and you want to make light of the fact, shame.

GC, it's time to stop making decisions buddy ok? You're tuckering yourself out with all this thinking you're trying to do. Maybe put your brain cell out of its misery and take some time off eh mate? Also 'lol' at 'the person'. You mad broseph? :p

I'm fine, full of vim and vinegar and ready to go, it's far to bad of weather to get out and do anything here for the next week. Believe me I would rather be in my shop building furniture than arguing with those here who couldn't care less about the truth of today's society.

GC

[Nope]

I never said all atheist were in the sex slave trade, you want to read into my post what you want them to say, not what they Show me atheist are not the major players in this terrible crime against all of humanity. You do not like it when the shoe is on the other foot do you, well you want to play the game of let's blame the Christians for all we can to make them look bad, regardless of the truth. But when the Christians come back at you with the truth of what's actually going on out there you whine and cry.

GC

By sex trade do you mean forcing vulnerable people to have sex with other people or just prostitution in general?

I believe the best way to end the practice of forcing people to have sex for pay is to make prostitution legal. Legalization would remove the fear for prostitutes of going to the authorities when they either have problems or observe the abuse of other prostitues.

I would imagine that the religious makeup of most people who force others to be raped for money depends on whatever is the major religion in their countries.

Serious question, which Christian organization is doing more to end forced prostitution then pray? Where is any evidence that their methods have helped more than the countries that regulate legal prostitution?

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When the shoe gets put on the other foot you cry and whine then make jokes about those unfortunate children, you have no shame.

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Could you provide a link to the person that offered you a child for sale?

Compassion should be everyone's main concern here, Christians are trying to help these children and you want to make light of the fact, shame.

Not every prostitute is either a child or forced to have sex for money

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Do I have to remind you that you're the one who brought up the ridiculous accusations about atheists being responsible for sex trafficking (insinuating it's because they're atheists).

Nothing ridiculous about it, don't you ever watch the news, there's some there. Christians have gathered all the info we need to rescue those most unfortunate young ones. You'll blast all Christianity for the American slaves in the south, saying Christians were whole responsible for that terrible deed. When the shoe gets put on the other foot you cry and whine then make jokes about those unfortunate children, you have no shame.

...what? Seriously, what are you on about? Cite where I've ever lambasted Christianity on this thread or indeed any other thread over slavery? You know, I come from a country where we value education, so I'm already well aware of the liberation theologies of Wilberforce et al and their contribution to abolishing the slave trade triangle.

But I have to conclude you've gone off your rocker when it comes to laying modern day slave trafficking at the hands of 'atheists' [defined]. You realise that a lot of sex trafficking for example comes out of Eastern Europe and the Balkan states right? Traditionally very conservative Orthodox Christian countries?

What about slave labour being employed by Gypsy communities in Western Europe, of which there have been several recent examples. Typically they're Roman Catholic Gypsies, don't you know?

But hey, I'm not going to stoop to the idiocy of you and infer a correlation between their religion and their propensity to indulge in modern day slavery. Because that'd be something you'd do, and a rule of thumb is that if you're doing it, it must be wrong (bracketing out the fact that it is indeed wrong, and you could have every Catholic in the world engaging in slavery but that =/= they engage in slavery because of their religion).

do some atheists engage in slavery? I dunno, based on weight of numbers yeah, they probably do. So fucking what? What's your point here man? You got anything else other than blind prejudice to back up your claims or are we going to have to repeatedly school you again and again on fallacies of assertions? You have the reasoning skills of a child.

If you were bothered about it you'd refrain from posting such tripe on topics you don't understand.

I understand well enough, well enough not to make a joke out of such atrocities. Compassion should be everyone's main concern here, Christians are trying to help these children and you want to make light of the fact, shame.

Fuck off, no you don't. You don't have the fucking foggiest what you're on about. You're flinging accusations like a fucking child about topics that, I repeat, you know less than nothing about.

'Compassion should be everyone's main concern here'. Come the fuck along GC, if there's been one person on this thread showing no compassion it's god's very own wanker.

GC, it's time to stop making decisions buddy ok? You're tuckering yourself out with all this thinking you're trying to do. Maybe put your brain cell out of its misery and take some time off eh mate? Also 'lol' at 'the person'. You mad broseph? :p

I'm fine, full of vim and vinegar and ready to go, it's far to bad of weather to get out and do anything here for the next week. Believe me I would rather be in my shop building furniture than arguing with those here who couldn't care less about the truth of today's society.

GC

If you're speaking it, it ain't the truth.

[Godscreated]

Ever hear of squeezing blood out of a turnip, last I checked a turnip doesn't have blood. Things can be a little out of the grasp of some people.

GC

Say what now?!
I had to google it, because I hadn't heard the phrase.

"When people say that you can't squeeze blood out of a turnip, it means that you cannot get something from a person, especially money, that they don't have."

That makes literally NO sense in the context of

The only context meant was that a turnip has no blood, yet people refer to one as if it did. I wasn't referring to the entire phrase.

No not hardly, I'm going to prove he's only a man who bleeds just as I do.

Because your whole point is that I DO have blood.

I never said anything about actual blood, you and everyone else assumed I did, I knew you would and I knew you would make a big deal out of it. I actually tried to cut this line of thinking off more than once. Yet you all keep insisting I was going to be physical, you wouldn't listen because you wanted this to be the way you saw it, instead of believing when I said it wasn't. Try this one, you ever heard of a business referred to as bleeding money. Now we all know that money and blood are different, correct. Well man can bleed in many ways too, I know I've done it many times in the past, try if you can to figure this out. Not necessarily about me but people in general, time you young'uns learned a thing or two about life.

GC, lets be blunt. You got pissed off, you said some stuff you probably wish you hadn't, and now you're trying to suggest you didn't actually say what you said.

Here's blunt, I never got mad, why would I, what you said is nothing that hasn't been said here many times. Yes I said I would make you bleed, but it was you and others wanting to run down a Christian that lead to your jumping to conclusions. It is you all that need to rethink how you deal with Christians statements, you shouldn't be so careless and always want to think bad of us. You've shown yourselves to be as you've been accused of in the past by several Christians here.
I've watched you all run off many good people from here, by being disrespectful, whether you do it purposely or not you all gang up on a Christian and badger them until they just give up the post. Finally they will leave, they get tired of the crap you all dish out because you simply desire to win at all cost. Blunt enough?

I think I'd have a lot more respect for you if you said

"What I meant was, you show all the characteristics and behaviors of a fallible mortal, just like me. I can't prove you're not god, but I could make a good argument for it, and that argument would start with me asking you for any proof that you ARE. Give me your definition of God and we'll work from there."

Rather than trying to cover your perfectly natural loss of self control with some torturous argument that it was anything else.

Here's what I mean, you want me to concede, you want the win even if it means I would lie about myself. Well it want work with me, I'm far to stubborn to give into the games you guys like to play and I never will give in to them. If you do not want to believe what I say fine, I do not care, I use to, not any more, the atheist here have shown that caring about what they believe about what I say is a futile endeavor.

I'll be blunt again. You're off form. Look at the last few pages of posts, you got needled into making personal attacks on people and you should be better than that.

I've made no personal attacks, I've responded to a few thrown at me, and I may have be a bit rude, but personal attack, no.

Your wittness, such as it is, is better served discussing ideas and concepts rather than getting down into the muck and throwing it at the people you're trying to save. We've all had a certain amount of guilty fun winding you up, and you've risen to it every time. It was fun, its now getting kinda awkward. For me at least.

I'm going to say this again for the umpteenth time, I never came here to save anyone, wasn't my purpose and still isn't, that's God's business. I'm here to learn and learn I have, things I liked and disliked about myself and others. you all have made it quite clear you hate the idea of my God and until He breaks you of that nothing can be done. My hope is those who come and brows for whatever reason might read and then leave for a more sane place to ask questions. As I said above I know when the ganging up starts what's going own.

My advice, and I'm not being snarky here, is to take a week off, reflect, and come back to it fresh. But its up to you.

It's not me who needs the break, I take one when I know it's time. You all assumed something about what I said, this time I took advantage of your ways and played you all, it wasn't my intent to begin with, but I couldn't help but take the opportunity and hope in the end to make a point, well I hope I have, but to tell the truth I'm not going to hold my breath, experience is a valuable thing.

GC

[The Valkyrie]

Do I have to remind you that you're the one who brought up the ridiculous accusations about atheists being responsible for sex trafficking (insinuating it's because they're atheists).

Nothing ridiculous about it, don't you ever watch the news, there's some there. Christians have gathered all the info we need to rescue those most unfortunate young ones. You'll blast all Christianity for the American slaves in the south, saying Christians were whole responsible for that terrible deed. When the shoe gets put on the other foot you cry and whine then make jokes about those unfortunate children, you have no shame.

If you were bothered about it you'd refrain from posting such tripe on topics you don't understand.

I understand well enough, well enough not to make a joke out of such atrocities. Compassion should be everyone's main concern here, Christians are trying to help these children and you want to make light of the fact, shame.

GC, it's time to stop making decisions buddy ok? You're tuckering yourself out with all this thinking you're trying to do. Maybe put your brain cell out of its misery and take some time off eh mate? Also 'lol' at 'the person'. You mad broseph? :p

I'm fine, full of vim and vinegar and ready to go, it's far to bad of weather to get out and do anything here for the next week. Believe me I would rather be in my shop building furniture than arguing with those here who couldn't care less about the truth of today's society.

GC

Full of SOMETHING, certainly . . . .

RJA

[Godscreated]

I never said all atheist were in the sex slave trade, you want to read into my post what you want them to say, not what they Show me atheist are not the major players in this terrible crime against all of humanity. You do not like it when the shoe is on the other foot do you, well you want to play the game of let's blame the Christians for all we can to make them look bad, regardless of the truth. But when the Christians come back at you with the truth of what's actually going on out there you whine and cry.

GC

By sex trade do you mean forcing vulnerable people to have sex with other people or just prostitution in general?

I mean taking and using children as sex slaves, selling them for that purpose to others or make profit from them by forcing them into sexual acts they do not want to do, prostitution and porn are just a small part of this. Men and women pay huge amounts of money for children, both male and female, in the age range of 11 to 14, and if anyone doesn't find this sick, then all I can say about them is, they are in them self's sick. These children are shipped all over the world for this purpose and there are Christians following these people over the world to help free these young ones.

I believe the best way to end the practice of forcing people to have sex for pay is to make prostitution legal. Legalization would remove the fear for prostitutes of going to the authorities when they either have problems or observe the abuse of other prostitues.

That might work for those who chose that route, but most of the horrible sex trade I'm talking about is going on behind closed doors.
That seems to be the response to illegal activities these days, make it legal so society can forget about the problem. Dealing with problems is the way man shows his compassion for others, pushing them aside by things like legalizing, only promotes distrust and uncaring and then those who needed help just give up because we have.

I would imagine that the religious makeup of most people who force others to be raped for money depends on whatever is the major religion in their countries.

Maybe for the people like ISIS and other hate groups, but most religions will look down upon actions such as I described. It's people who have more desire for money than they have compassion for a persons life, these are users that do these things, people who have no sanctity for human life. They care no more for a person than a bug, plain and simple.

Serious question, which Christian organization is doing more to end forced prostitution then pray? Where is any evidence that their methods have helped more than the countries that regulate legal prostitution?

I just watched a small bit on a news cast the other day and the Christians were from either one church or they formed a group from different churches to go into other countries and set these people up and then inform the local authorities to make the arrest, they would have these kids in hand and able to whisk them from the country to save the lives of the kids and themselves. These people keep their identity secret, they need to do so to keep helping and to keep from getting killed. They're secretive and I do not blame them, but ever child they rescue is one saved from horror.

GC

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Nothing ridiculous about it, don't you ever watch the news, there's some there. Christians have gathered all the info we need to rescue those most unfortunate young ones. You'll blast all Christianity for the American slaves in the south, saying Christians were whole responsible for that terrible deed. When the shoe gets put on the other foot you cry and whine then make jokes about those unfortunate children, you have no shame.


I understand well enough, well enough not to make a joke out of such atrocities. Compassion should be everyone's main concern here, Christians are trying to help these children and you want to make light of the fact, shame.


I'm fine, full of vim and vinegar and ready to go, it's far to bad of weather to get out and do anything here for the next week. Believe me I would rather be in my shop building furniture than arguing with those here who couldn't care less about the truth of today's society.

GC

Full of SOMETHING, certainly . . . .

RJA

This is why I have given up caring about most here, you know dusting off my feet of certain people.

GC

[KevinM1]

Pray to God to end child trafficking. If he wants it ended, he will end it.

Don't blame atheists that have nothing to do with it, we are not one big business.

Your God either can't or won't stop the sex trafficking, so if you want to blame someone, go blame him because he's either lying to you about his power, or he's enjoying letting the misery happen.

Trying to deflect questions about how ludicrous your faith is by lashing out at atheists is just evidence of the lack of rational arguments at your disposal.

You little child, denial is a show of you're failing. I never said all atheist were in the sex slave trade, you want to read into my post what you want them to say, not what they actually say, feel like you're falling behind do ya. Show me atheist are not the major players in this terrible crime against all of humanity. You do not like it when the shoe is on the other foot do you, well you want to play the game of let's blame the Christians for all we can to make them look bad, regardless of the truth. But when the Christians come back at you with the truth of what's actually going on out there you whine and cry.

GC

No, but you implied that it was only atheists who were involved in the sex trade business (which is false) and implied that it was only Christians trying to stop it (also false).

And, there's a substantial difference between individual atheists who may be involved in the sex trade, and theists who were involved in slavery. There's no component to atheism that could possibly be used to justify such a crime.

Slavery, and colonialism in general, on the other hand, had the blessing (literally) of the local clergy. It was the will of god to 'save' those savages, etc. Which isn't surprising, given the history of just about every religion. Proselytizing is really only efficient when it's at the end of a sword or gun.

Can you not see the distinction? All atheism is is a lack of belief in deities. That's it. There's no religion. No church. No rites or rituals. No codified standards of behaviors. None of that. Yes, many atheists are also secular humanists (which is also not a religion), but they're not one and the same.

So, when you go off on atheists and the sex trade, it's about as pointless as spouting off about brown eyed people in the sex trade. That particular quality of those people has absolutely no bearing on the actions they're taking. I know you think it does, because as a true believer you think atheists are immoral by default, but like just about everything else you assert, making the claim doesn't make that claim true. And since you're making the claim that 'atheists are the major players' in sex trading, the burden of proof is on you. That's how logic works.

Now, give us reputable sources, or be quiet. You're embarrassing yourself.