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**The Reality Salesman01** · February 17, 2015 at 11:42 pm

Lul...

Razulxe 2 · February 17, 2015 at 11:48 pm

(February 17, 2015 at 11:40 pm)Sionnach Wrote:
(February 17, 2015 at 11:37 pm)Razulxe 2 Wrote: One cannot believe until they were first atheist.

One believes due to comfort of a lie. It is more appealing than the harsh truth of reality.

I believe my eyes. Yet I am still theistic. I was once an atheist who could not be told otherwise. No convert due todesperation or emotion. Now what could possibly change my mind. - Razulxe (ray-jewel-(z)(s)ee)

**Silver** · February 17, 2015 at 11:52 pm

(February 17, 2015 at 11:48 pm)Razulxe 2 Wrote: I believe my eyes.

If that was true, you would not be a theist.

Razulxe 2 · February 17, 2015 at 11:55 pm

(February 17, 2015 at 11:52 pm)Sionnach Wrote:
(February 17, 2015 at 11:48 pm)Razulxe 2 Wrote: I believe my eyes.

If that was true, you would not be a theist.

I know otherwise.

**The Reality Salesman01** · February 17, 2015 at 11:58 pm

Prove what you "know" or call it something else to avoid confusion.

**vorlon13** · February 18, 2015 at 12:08 am

Without some practice runs, it would be unlikely for a 'creator' to invoke a universe into being with consistent and mutually compatible and a sufficient set of natural laws and properties such that it could last for an 'interesting' length of time to allow something 'interesting' to happen.

A low wattage big bang might generate a tepid, and languid universe, a different big bang might generate a universe with only 2 spatial dimensions and an erratic arrow of time. That one might be interesting to watch, but it wouldn't, AFAIK, ever generate life forms.

If this creator was truly unlimited, a hypothetical universe that might tax his/her power would be to invoke a universe that would at it's instant of formation already be infinitely old with the potential for an infinite duration. No idea how to set that one up, and the skill set to do it might be transcendental across any permutations of reality.

Razulxe 2 · (This post was last modified: February 18, 2015 at 12:14 am by Razulxe 2.)

(February 17, 2015 at 11:58 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote: Prove what you "know" or call it something else to avoid confusion.

Thats the answer I wanted. Proof. Our world revolves around proof. Even scientific creation may be proved. What I know is impossible and false, but I know it to be true. It is unfathomable, but I have understood it. It does not exist, yet I have known it. It is far from abstract and yet may never be known.

(February 18, 2015 at 12:08 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Without some practice runs, it would be unlikely for a 'creator' to invoke a universe into being with consistent and mutually compatible and a sufficient set of natural laws and properties such that it could last for an 'interesting' length of time to allow something 'interesting' to happen.

A low wattage big bang might generate a tepid, and languid universe, a different big bang might generate a universe with only 2 spatial dimensions and an erratic arrow of time. That one might be interesting to watch, but it wouldn't, AFAIK, ever generate life forms.

If this creator was truly unlimited, a hypothetical universe that might tax his/her power would be to invoke a universe that would at it's instant of formation already be infinitely old with the potential for an infinite duration. No idea how to set that one up, and the skill set to do it might be transcendental across any permutations of reality.

Razulxe-Outside of scientology, imagine no laws exist-No beginning, no size, no labor, and no human brain. That may help the complexity.

**The Reality Salesman01**

(February 18, 2015 at 12:09 am)Razulxe 2 Wrote:
(February 17, 2015 at 11:58 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote: Prove what you "know" or call it something else to avoid confusion.

Thats the answer I wanted. Proof. Our world revolves around proof. Even scientific creation may be proved. What I know is impossible and false, but I know it to be true. It is unfathomable, but I have understood it. It does not exist, yet I have known it. It is far from abstract and yet may never be known.

That is literally the definition of delusional. There are medications you can take that both induce and suppress the mental state you're experiencing.

Razulxe 2 · February 18, 2015 at 12:32 am

(February 18, 2015 at 12:16 am)The Reality Salesman Wrote:
(February 18, 2015 at 12:09 am)Razulxe 2 Wrote: Thats the answer I wanted. Proof. Our world revolves around proof. Even scientific creation may be proved. What I know is impossible and false, but I know it to be true. It is unfathomable, but I have understood it. It does not exist, yet I have known it. It is far from abstract and yet may never be known.

That is literally the definition of delusional. There are medications you can take that both induce and suppress the mental state you're experiencing.

Quite right. To see reality defied will make you crazy. Trying to get someone to believe you will make you crazier.

Surgenator · February 18, 2015 at 12:38 am

I smell a Troll

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