oh Oklahoma

[Natachan]

[SteelCurtain]

[Dystopia]

I agree. Being a citizen means you can be "proud" of the good deeds your country has done, but you shouldn't ignore the flaws. I have no problem pointing out mistakes my country has made

[Minimalist]

Let's face it, colleges in Oklahoma exist for football and fucking. Doesn't matter what's in the books...no one reads them.

[The Valkyrie]

Should be interesting to hear what Seth Andrews has to say about this . . .

[Natachan]

Let's face it, colleges in Oklahoma exist for football and fucking. Doesn't matter what's in the books...no one reads them.

I'd agree if you changed the word "college" to "high school." Oklahoma has three good public universities, though I cringe to say it. The problem isn't the colleges. It's the fact that not enough people GO to them. And that so many that do drop out. I'm gonna bet a lot of voters only took high school US history, taught by Oklahoma republican idiots who skewed it to their perspective. They want to keep their delusions that America is perfect and above reproach. That it is lily white and christian and the pinnacle of civilization.

Granted the US history course I took in college I took in Missouri and transferred it to OK. So I don't know what they are teaching here. But I do know that they offer this course (I WANNA TAKE IT!!!!!):

HONR 1000.708
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Confronting Pseudoscience
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This course will use an examination of a wide range of pseudoscientific ideas and beliefs as a way of understanding what the difference is between true scientific endeavor and non-scientific belief systems (and hopefully have a certain amount of fun in the process). The course takes as its basic premise that there is a real difference in the type of knowledge associated with a true scientific endeavor and those associated with
pseudoscientific belief systems. We will investigate how pseudoscientific beliefs systems try to utilize that vocabulary and some of the methodology of the sciences in an attempt to validate their beliefs systems. Pseudoscientific topics covered will include (but are by no means limited to) Homeopathic medicine, Bermuda triangle,vaccination denial, moon landing denial, and Creationism.

[Chad32]

The extreme end of patriotism. Not only having a double standard where you execute Japanese soldiers for waterboarding while claiming it's not torture when we do it, but trying to sweep our own misdeeds under the rug. And then wondering, or ot caring, that we're unpopular with the rest of the world.

[Minimalist]

"They hate us for our freedom"

[Chad32]

Yes, I've heard that before. Patriots think they're jealous, but really they don't like hypocrites. America has done a lot of great things. It became a world power quite quickly. It has also done a lot of bad things, and if those bad things bother you then try not to do them. No one will be able to dig up dirt on you if you don't have dirt to dig up.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Let's face it, colleges in Oklahoma exist for football and fucking. Doesn't matter what's in the books...no one reads them.

Did you hear about the Aggie who transferred from Texas A&M to OSU?

He raised the average IQ in both states.

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Yes, I've heard that before. Patriots think they're jealous, but really they don't like hypocrites. America has done a lot of great things. It became a world power quite quickly. It has also done a lot of bad things, and if those bad things bother you then try not to do them. No one will be able to dig up dirt on you if you don't have dirt to dig up.

One thing I'm grateful for, specifically, in my life is that my parents took us to Iran, where I attended school for four years. Learning at a young age about the Mossadegh Affair, in which our CIA overthrew the legally elected socialist Prime Minister in 1953 -- followed shortly by seeing the 1978 Revolution up-close and personal -- made me question everything I was taught upon return to America, because everyone who hated Iran had no idea we'd inflicted an authoritarian regime on that nation and people. Most Americans had no idea that their hatred of us was justified. We propped up the Shah, we trained the SAVAK which helped keep him in power, and we got our just desserts for it.

I learned early that my country can be and often is wrong, and that has come to form my view of patriotism, which is that I love my country enough to speak up against its wrongdoings, in the hopes of making it a better place.