Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole

[TheDarkestOfAngels]

That is really mean, for no reason. Why do you feel the need to be so insulting? Thats a common factor I tend to see in athiesm...

Regardless; how about you respond to my rebuttal, instead of just attacking me? It makes me sad how atheists seem to be so interested in a logical, sensible discussion until it is time to actual have one.

We've seen far more theists come through here to simply preach and/or insult us.
Minimalist, the forum's lovable rascal, just takes a "I'm tired of your shit" approach to all conversations, which usually results in his particular responses.
Of course, what you don't realize is that his response, however rude, is completely appropriate. We athiests enjoy being ensorcelled in knowledge. Your response, while entertaining, is woefully undersourced.

That is to say, you said things and we're not taking your word for it.
Grace us with evidence or sources (that aren't obviously biased - but actual peer-reviewed scientific articles) backing up your claim or really anything that we can use to have an acutal discussion.

Chipan up there claimed that Jesus was a person with outside-of-bible proof of his existence (I didn't forget - I've just been busy, Chip, I'll respond to it either tomorrow or early this week so I can get back on track) with a 4 part video on the matter.
That's something at least and it's a good start to further discussion.

Chip -
I've been off-and-on AWOL, but last I checked, one of my previous responses about the 'scientific truths' about the bible that you're currently bringing up has not only been debunked by one of my previous posts, but others as well.
The bible is either so open to interpretation or you're just flat-out wrong. The language of the bible doesn't describe an ellipsoidal earth orbiting a burning ball of hydrogen at all. It describes an island inside of a bubble that's beneath water with hell beneath that land as I pointed out in a previous post.

Should I just repost that point again or have you some counterpoints to the points I made?

[chi pan]

That is really mean, for no reason. Why do you feel the need to be so insulting? Thats a common factor I tend to see in athiesm...

Regardless; how about you respond to my rebuttal, instead of just attacking me? It makes me sad how atheists seem to be so interested in a logical, sensible discussion until it is time to actual have one.

ya Minimalist, you should be nice to the new members. does a second opinion hurt science? i thought you would all sides of the information to form a non biased point of view.. unless you don't care about truth that is. anyways, welcome organiccornflake. i wasn't talking about archeological finds, but that is a good point. i was talking about the few scientific passages in the bible like the earth being round, the universe expanding etc.

He was so successful he established 4 centuries of Egyptian domination over Canaan which did not end until the middle of the 12th century BC.

you fail to state when their rule started. it started around 16 century BC. during this time the Jews existed and kept their culture, religion, literature, and language. why don't i let the facts speak for themselves.

At the beginning of the 2nd millennium BCE, a rich urban civilization reappeared in the Land, and fortified city-states once again dotted the country. In written documents, the Land is called Canaan for the first time. Some scholars have suggested that this period, during which pastoral, tribal societies lived on the outskirts of Canaan ’s large cities, should be seen as the backdrop for the biblical stories of the Patriarchs .
Egypt ’s influence over Canaan began in the second half of the 16th century BCE, and direct Egyptian rule commenced in the early 15th century BCE. Despite this, the Canaanites retained their cultural and spiritual independence, and, in fact, their achievements in the realms of religion, literature, and art reached a peak .
The end of the 13th century BCE was a time of worldwide upheaval, which culminated in the fall of many great empires. Egypt weakened, and around 1200 BCE its rule over Canaan began to draw to a close .

http://www.english.imjnet.org.il/htmls/p...&bsp=14381

reguardless of what you may think, they existed. here's some more information

Mark S. Smith, a scholar in the Department of Hebrew and Judaic Studies at New York University, begins Chapter One of the Second Edition of his book The Early History of God as follows, with extensive details for each of his notations not included here:

Early Israelite culture cannot be separated easily from the culture of "Canaan."1 The highlands of Israel in the Iron Age (ca. 1200-587) reflect continuity with the "Canaanite" (or better, West Semitic2) culture during the preceding period both in the highlands and in the contemporary cities on the coast and in the valleys3.

http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/ch04.htm

[Minimalist]

That is really mean, for no reason.

I'll decide when there is and isn't a reason and if you don't like it then don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Do you think you are the first to show up here spouting that particular line of shit? One of you clowns comes through the door every week and each one is as ignorant as the last. You cut and paste a pile of shit from some theist website and think "ah....now they'll see that jesus was real!!!!"

Well, fuck you and your god. Use the search feature and learn something or just go back to your collection of like minded fools and tell them how mean we were because we are tired of your bullshit.

Oh, and blow jesus out your ass.

[organiccornflake]

Once again, you avoid my rebuttal. I ask you; challenge your beliefs (I have challenged mine). Avoiding my statement only shows me how little atheists know about the bible. Please; show me an irrefutable contradiction between the bible and science/archeology. If I am believing a lie I would much like to know.

[chi pan]

The bible is either so open to interpretation or you're just flat-out wrong. The language of the bible doesn't describe an ellipsoidal earth orbiting a burning ball of hydrogen at all. It describes an island inside of a bubble that's beneath water with hell beneath that land as I pointed out in a previous post.

good to see ya back darkang. well, the bible does describe a hydrosphere around the earth during creation, it was removed during the flood. it doesn't describe an island i don't know where you got that. it describes the earth as circular everywhere it describes it. in revelations, as i've already brought up, it speaks about how a time there is day for some but night for others. this establishes that they know the earth is round and different times of day in different places on the earth.

I'll decide when there is and isn't a reason and if you don't like it then don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Do you think you are the first to show up here spouting that particular line of shit? One of you clowns comes through the door every week and each one is as ignorant as the last. You cut and paste a pile of shit from some theist website and think "ah....now they'll see that jesus was real!!!!"

Well, fuck you and your god. Use the search feature and learn something or just go back to your collection of like minded fools and tell them how mean we were because we are tired of your bullshit.

Oh, and blow jesus out your ass.

no, i do not have any information from a christian website. i made sure to site non christian sources. TheDarkestOfAngels can tell you this as he looked at my sources. he says he has a debate ready for me so i can't wait to see what he has for me. the only source you had was jesusdoesnotexist.com and that's it. good site right? no bias there... i even looked at it, sited information from the OFFICIAL NAZARETH WEBSITE to debunk those claims and it was ignored. if you are lazy fine but don't say i'm stupid when i'm doing all the work.

[TheDarkestOfAngels]

Once again, you avoid my rebuttal. I ask you; challenge your beliefs (I have challenged mine). Avoiding my statement only shows me how little atheists know about the bible. Please; show me an irrefutable contradiction between the bible and science/archeology. If I am believing a lie I would much like to know.

How the age of the Earth is determined (scientifically).
The Bible's age of the Earth.

I think I'll go with the former. That actually involved research by multiple people eventually collected and scientifically determined over a very long period of time, eventually culminating in the current understanding versus "it says it in this book that someone with no understanding of geology wrote thousands of years ago."

There's your irrefutable contradiction.
Also, I can see light from stars more than 6000 light years away.
Telescopes have seen stars more than 13 light years away.
Given that the bible's creation account was far fewer than 13 billion years ago, the speed of light is constant, god never lies, this is another obvious contradiction to the point that not only is the universe older than the bible states, but the earth is as well.

[chi pan]

yes, many theories based on the fact that the universe is how it always was. what if light was once faster than it was now? what if it's speed is slowing down? if any of these arguements are true then those arguements don't hold water

[organiccornflake]

Once again DarkestOfAngels i would like to thank you showing a willingness to discuss...

Although Chipon has a good point with the speed of light theory; there are others out there.

here is an Alternate Interpretation of the creation story.

This interpretation allows room for evolution, and the "gap theory."
The bible doesnt seem to contradict science here. You can believe both the bible AND that the earth formed 4.54 billion years ago.

I myself am a believer in the possibility of theistic evolution, and a 99% believer in the big bang theory.

[Minimalist]

OFFICIAL NAZARETH WEBSITE

Ooohhh - the "official" nazareth website. Aren't you easily impressed. Perhaps you don't know that since the 17th century - by a deal they worked out with the local Arab ruler, catholic Franciscans have had exclusive control of the so-called venerated site. Now, I don't trust idiot catholics any more than I trust jackasses like you but even THEY failed to find any sort of village - Greek, Roman, or otherwise, prior to the 2d century AD. That we have a fairly substantial archaeological record from that point on is not much of a surprise but it does nothing to help your alleged godboy in the early first century AD.

Read Fr. Bagatti's Excavations in Nazareth if you find it in a library (and if...big if here) you can understand it. Perhaps it will sink into your simple mind that when Bagatti talks about the kokhim tombs which he found it will occur to you that JEWS would never build a town in a cemetery.

Meanwhile, consider one more thing for your "official nazareth website." If there is one thing that Arabs and Jews agree on it is the desirability of separating moronic xtian pilgrims from their money. Congratulations, like many idiot xtians before you, you have been conned by tourism.

Go buy a piece of the true cross and shove it up your ass.

[Cyberman]

Here's the OFFICIAL DISNEYLAND WEBSITE:

http://disneyland.disney.go.com/

It's true; giant talking mice (with strangely frozen faces) walk the Earth!