Does Dark Matter give merit to the Bible?

[Alex K]

Somehow I get the impression that the overlap between people who think the bible contains tons of hidden science, and people who know PDEs, is not that huge

[Smaug]

It's more likely that they wouldn't have recognized a DE even if it were written right between the verses

[FreeTony]

Sure, who doesn't remember this passage from the outtakes of Sermon on the mount:
Look at the Neutrinos in the air - they are neither charged nor very massive, and yet the heavenly father oscillateth them.

J-man predicted the whole thing 2000 years before it was discovered by "science".

You're wrong! That line has nothing to do with physics, it's about biology.

Creationists think that the Neutrino in that passage is actually a bird. They fly because God flaps their wings. It is also proof that birds did not evolve from dinosaurs.

[Alex K]

It's more likely that they wouldn't have recognized a DE even if it were written right between the verses

I don't think we would have missed it... I imagine something like this, St. Matthews Equation:

And Jesus spake unto his disciples and said: "There shall be a quantity, which the Lord, our God, hath made such that it change in tyme and in place. And the Lord, our God, hath commanded that it shall obey Him, and He hath given laws it shall obey according to His will." And when Jesus had finished this speech, he saw that his disciples had grown weary and he found them sleeping, for they did not appreciate abstract mathematics, and he spake unto them once more and saith unto Peter, "What, could ye not watch me lecture one hour? You lazy peasants! Art thou not better than they, who suck at maths? And he once more commenced to explain: "The quantity, which God, our Lord, hath commanded to change in tyme and which also dependeth on the place at which thou vieweth it, shall obey those laws, that our Lord, God, hath bestowed unto them such that it shall follow them", and he checked that they were awake, and spake: "Look at the change of the quantity which it undergoeth in tyme. And consider the change of this change, which it likewise undergoeth in tyme. And the Lord hath commanded that thou compareth this with the change which the quantity undergoeth as it dependeth on the place where thou evaluateth it. And the Lord, our God, further commands: consider the change of said change, and once more see how it varieth as thou looketh at it in different places. And when thou hast done so, and hast not made a silly mistake, consider the two jointly, and add them, and I, thy Lord, command that they together shall vanish." And Jesus looked up and once again found his disciples asleep, for their eyes were heavy. And he grew angry, and spake unto them: watch and learn, that ye enter not into temptation! The spirit is willing, but the brain is weak. And he looked at Judas and saith: "Judas, thou telleth me - what quantity solveth the equation that the Lord hath given us?". And there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth, and Judas saith to himself: If he keeps it up like that, I'll go straight to Caiaphas and betray Him for free.

Biblical version of the linear wave equation

[Smaug]

Speaking of science-religion interrelations, I have a popular astronomy book by an american astronomer O. M. Mitchell which covers the topics of history of astronomy and it's latest achievements. The book's name is something like "Celestial bodies: planetary and sidereal worlds". I don't know how exactly it's called in English because it's a 1868 Russian edition. This book has a vivid and highly-descriptive style with lots of fancy wording which is characteristic for those times as opposed to modern dry and facts-only style of such literature. And there are enaugh mentions of God and Creator when it comes to admiring the beauty and order of the Creation. Which reads somewhat unusual and funny today. Yet the book is fairly good when it comes to the history (including ancient times), modern facts, theories and known phenomena of those times and the way of describing and explaining them to the reader. Among the topics are Laplace hypothesis, Stability of Solar System, exasolar systems and galaxies, obtaining figure and approximate diameter of our Galaxy and other.

[Alex K]

It's strange how the style of books can depend on the zeitgeist. I have a book on radio electronics which praises the achievements of Goebbels and the National Socialist party on every other page...

[Jenny A]

It's strange how the style of books can depend on the zeitgeist. I have a book on radio electronics which praises the achievements of Goebbels and the National Socialist party on every other page...

Every read "A History of Pi," by Petr Beckmann? Other side of the political spectrum, but just as odd in it's twists and turns into modern politics, or a least what was modern politics in 1976. It includes an anti-communist rant and an anti-environmentalist rant. Still makes a fun little history of western math tour.

[Alex K]

No, haven't read it!

[JuliaL]

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“So, the other day I was watching a show about how the universe works on the science channel. They showed experiments where they tried to create a mock universe in a test lab using gravity. It ALWAYS failed. That is when they started talking about Dark Matter. Being the science geek that I am, I started paying close attention to this. As they explained, there is something ELSE other than gravity that is holding the universe together. It cannot be seen or measured, however, it IS there. They do not know what it is so they named it Dark Matter. Here's a definition:

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Dark matter is a hypothetical kind of matter which cannot be seen with telescopes but accounts for most of the matter in the Universe.

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The existence and properties of dark matter are inferred from its gravitational effects on visible matter, radiation and the large-scale structure of the cosmos. It has not been detected directly, making it one of the greatest mysteries in modern astrophysics.
So I kind of giggled when the show talked on and on about this "mysterious dark matter" that holds the universe together. Doesn't the bible talk about this?
Hebrews 11:3
By faith we understand that

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the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.
Interesting… VERY INTERESTING”

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A friend of myn posted this to me on FB as one of his arguments in favor of Christianity. Frankly, I find the whole concept of trying to creat a mock universe with conventional physics and logic stupid. Because we dont know how things were "before" the big bang or before existance itself and I feel even if we did we would have to recreate the conditions necessary to do such a thing successfully.

then again...im no physicist.

In previouse comments he tried pulling the whole,
"One needs only look at the wonders of the universe to know god exists."

Whats your thoughts on the matter?

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Because dark matter is undetectable (invisible) it is equivalent to the word of god (also invisible) which gives structure and substance to the universe.

Then they are both the same as the odor given off by bad poetry (also invisible).

If God wants to tell us something, why didn't She just leave us a blue-ray in a stasis box along with those old Essene scrolls?

[Minimalist]

wolfclan96

Your friend's quote itself contains an outright contradiction: first it is stated that "something ELSE other than gravity that is holding the universe together" then "The existence and properties of dark matter are inferred from its gravitational effects on visible matter". Of course it could be said that it is gravitational attraction of visible massive matter which is meant under the term "gravity" in the first phrase but even so it's a sign of poor expertise.

No, yes, you're absolutely right. If you start reinterpreting words like that, you can conclude anything you want. It's not something other than gravity, it's still gravity.

There are muslim shitwits who do that all the time.