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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 20, 2015 at 12:43 pm
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(June 20, 2015 at 12:00 pm)Rekeisha Wrote: @abaris Jesus had a bodily death but He did not cease to exist because God is Spirit.
@Neimenovic I don't dislike you I just to have anything to say to you.
@Chad Read John8:58 then read Ex 3:14
@Iroscato I speak to God trough the Holy Spirit that I received when I repented and was forgiven of my sins.
I guess Jesus does claim he was born before Mary. Still, it's rather schizophrenic to be one person and three. Which is too bad, because that just makes Jesus less likable. You can't escape all the psychopathy of the old testament.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 21, 2015 at 4:23 pm
@ abaris would you mind explaining your thought process.
@chad One God 3 persons. He isn't like us we are made in His image. You are looking at humans and trying to explain God and you will never understand Him that way. To know God you must humble yourself.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 21, 2015 at 5:17 pm
It's really hard to understand something that can't be tested. Like discussing how many powers a vampire really has. The point is kind of moot, since you can't present one in the first place.
Yahweh has many very Human attributes, and apparently we are enough like him that we're claimed to be in his image. I don't see much point in voluntarily humbling myself before this god. Even if he did force me to bend the knee, I'd still be trying to figure out a way to depose him. His intentions are not for the betterment of humanity, so rebellion is inevitable.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 22, 2015 at 10:21 am
You just said that it is hard to understand something that can't be tested then you say that His intentions are not for the betterment of humanity. So how did you come to this conclusion?
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 22, 2015 at 11:32 am
At face value, the actions of this god are not for the betterment of humanity. Whether or not any unknown details would exonerate him of at least some of this stuff, all we can really do is look at what he supposedly did and use our Human understanding to decide whether it's good or not. Flawed as it can be, it's all we have.
Now as for understanding him, we really can't. he isn't around for us to collaborate with. There is no reliable source of information about him. It isn't the bible/torah/quran, for the simple fact that people have been killing each other over how to interpret these books for thousands of years.
The best we can do is take it at face value, with no presuppositions, or working backwards from a conclusion, or anything else. At face value you have a god who most commonly interacts with people by killing them, sending people to kill them, or threatening to kill them. Death is the punishment for nearly every crime, you are sentenced to death or torture as soon as you are born, and have to beg him not to do it and enslave yourself to him to have any chance of happiness after this life. And in some cases, you may be sentenced to hell just because you were happy in this life, like one rich guy in the bible.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 23, 2015 at 9:53 am
People have killed each other for clothing. Does that mean that people shouldn't trust clothes?
The fact that Jesus died for all sins past and present means that you are not sentenced to death the moment you are born. The Fact that God is all know means that he can send out messages that we can be a a level that every person can understand even if that person's thinking is flawed.
Have you ever read the entire bible? If so when was the last time you did that?
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 23, 2015 at 9:57 am
Clothing is known to exist, at least.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 23, 2015 at 9:59 am
(June 23, 2015 at 9:53 am)Rekeisha Wrote: People have killed each other for clothing. Does that mean that people shouldn't trust clothes?
Well, I do prefer some people naked....
Quote:The fact that Jesus died for all sins past and present means that you are not sentenced to death the moment you are born. The Fact that God is all know means that he can send out messages that we can be a a level that every person can understand even if that person's thinking is flawed.
None of the above is a fact. I recommend a dictionary.
Quote:Have you ever read the entire bible?
Fell asleep at Genesis 6.
Quote: If so when was the last time you did that?
Why? Was there a software update or somethin'?
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 23, 2015 at 10:38 am
(June 10, 2015 at 3:32 pm)Lek Wrote: (June 10, 2015 at 3:30 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: If he wants a relationship with me, I'll be waiting. He presumably knows where I live.
You must first want a relationship with him. The problem is, that means you must put him above yourself.
Absent evidence, there is no reason to think there is anything there.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 23, 2015 at 10:44 am
(June 23, 2015 at 9:53 am)Rekeisha Wrote: The fact that Jesus died for all sins past and present means that you are not sentenced to death the moment you are born. The Fact that God is all know means that he can send out messages that we can be a a level that every person can understand even if that person's thinking is flawed.
Have you ever read the entire bible? If so when was the last time you did that?
Sorry, no. There is no evidence that that is a fact. It is but an unsupported assertion.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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