The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[Rekeisha]

I wasn't saying you father was like may mother's step-father, like a posted in parentheses . I was just giving you example of people who grew up in Christianity walked away and then truly found God. If you were depressed and disappointed with Christianity that may be because you were not following God. That does not mean that those who believe in God do not struggle with these things, but it isn't because they are following God but seeking to control their own life. I see God freeing me of anxiety and enables me to lead a fulfilled life although at times it is difficult. If you began to doubt wither you were saved the Holy Spirit would have reassured you of that reality. Since it would seem that you didn't receive that reassurance that leads me to question, not your devotion to Christianity, wither you actually knew God.

Did you do things for God or did God lead you to do thing and you accomplished those tasks through His grace and power? Did you find that you loved people more because of you knew God? Where you experiencing victory over your sins through the power of the Holy Spirit? Were you humble in spirit and saw that you needed a savior more and more? Could you identify the specific sins that God had saved you from?

I don't fear reality because I know the one who controls it. Since I don't need to follow God on twitter to know what He wants I will keep on praying for you and allow God's will to be done.

Yes, in my perception, I was all the things you describe. I now realize, of course, that I wasn't, and neither are you. This is just more scripted garbage from your history of indoctrination. No matter how many different ways you say it, you can't tell me what I believed or why I believed it, or why I stopped. You can't, and neither can your stupid book. You don't even really know why you hold your own beliefs. There are whole sciences devoted to why people have religious experiences like the ones you have and I used to have, and they provide better explanations of the phenomenon than "Gaud did it."


This is, of course, more evidence of the fact that you don't really believe in Gaud because he's real or because of evidence, but because you lack the perception and critical thinking skills to see reality as it truly is and realize that Gaud is not a part of it. You need to accept reality and save yourself from your ignorance and delusions. We're really just trying to help you. Why won't you accept our help? Why do you hate reality?

I can't tell you what you believe but you can tell me? That sounds like a double standard.

I hold my beliefs because I know God it is that simple. Sin is the reason why people reject God. It isn't because of critical thinking skills or that reality says otherwise. Reality, uniformity, knowledge, justice doesn't make a bit of sense without Him. He is firmly in control of the world. Call it what you like but the truth of the matter is God is real and in control. God the Father sent His son Jesus, out of great love and mercy, to die for our sins. Those who accept Him receive eternal life and the Holy Spirit as a deposit.

All of creation is moving in the direction God has ordained and there is not a person in the world how can stop Him from accomplishing His plan that he already set out.

[Rekeisha]

When Jesus became flesh then that body could die. Our souls will live on after our physical bodies die. The question is where will they spend the rest of eternity. Your choice to accept or reject Christ death on the cross for your sins will determine that..

Jesus said that he only came for the Jews.  So how will you ever be able to get on his wagon?

 I am happy to explain why salvation is for all.
On the verse you are quoting from was God testing wither the lady from the gentile nation actually had faith and he rewarded her for her faith by healing her daughter. (Mt 15:21-28)

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. (underlined added)


John 10:6 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. (this is Jesus speaking metaphorically about the other sheep (gentiles)

Read acts 10 Where God says simultaneously that you can eat what was once unclean and that the gentiles are included in God's plan for salvation.

It was always a plan to save all of man kind. There is a prophesy about this in Gen. 3:15

I am on the bandwagon because Christ died for my sins and I gladly accept His death on the cross for my justification. God is a good God and died for sinner like you and me.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Sin is the reason why people reject God. It isn't because of critical thinking skills or that reality says otherwise. Reality, uniformity, knowledge, justice doesn't make a bit of sense without Him.

You know, Rekeisha, I'm not especially interested in engaging with you, since you have made it quite clear that you have blown your brains out with the bullet of cult-member thinking, and can't even consider a rationalist approach because your cult leaders told you to just believe and not question, to reject the power of your own brain. It's horrifying to watch.

That said, you managed in three brief sentences to enumerate everything that irritates me about how you cultists talk about us, and how you interact with what we like to call reality.

I have specifically told you the reasons I rejected your cult (which was my cult, back then, likely before you were born), and it doesn't involve sin. I'm trying to even figure out what sins I would have wanted to commit, back then. I didn't drink, didn't swear, and was a virgin when I left the faith. Even today, I am frequently told by my Christian friends and Christian fiancee that I am one of the most honor- and morals-driven people they know, and have even been told that I am ironically "more Christlike" than they are (in fairness, I've only been told this by two people, but in total sincerity).

Other than the fact that, as I progressed toward my new mindset I began to reject some of Christianity's silly Bronze Age notions about women and about sex, and to study human sexuality from a scientific POV, I rejected the idea of "waiting for marriage", but that's nto why I left the faith. It's not even close. And it infuriates me that you claim I just wanted to sin. My own father told me that stupid line, recently, and I invited him to tell me what sins he meant-- what did he think I found so heinous in the Bible that I would abandon God so I could do it? I also pointed out to him that I consider myself more moral than the Bible, because I reject slavery for any reason, I reject subjugation and suppression of women, and I find most of the genocide, anti-religious-freedom, and conform-or-be-murdered commands in the Old Testament to be in conflict with the US Constitution and with my own moral sense. But these are all positions I adopted as an adult, after leaving the faith at 17, when I had to actually give thought to such questions I had ignored, before.

Your attacks on "Reality, uniformity, knowledge, justice" making no sense without God is the kind of talking that convinces me you're just like any other cultist. It is insanity to state that I can only have knowledge or accept reality through the lens of a religious book and the teachings within. And you will never, never convince me that a being that I see as not one bit different from a rapist, in moral terms, a stronger being demanding obedience and submission via threat of torture, is giving out "justice" when people are punished for not guessing that the right religion out of the thousands that exist is the "special revelation" given to one particular group of nomadic sheepherders in the ancient Near East.

The fact that you can even think (or rather, accept what you were obviously told) that people only leave Christianity because they want to sin tells me all I need to know about your cult.

[Rekeisha]

Sin is the reason why people reject God. It isn't because of critical thinking skills or that reality says otherwise. Reality, uniformity, knowledge, justice doesn't make a bit of sense without Him.

You know, Rekeisha, I'm not especially interested in engaging with you, since you have made it quite clear that you have blown your brains out with the bullet of cult-member thinking, and can't even consider a rationalist approach because your cult leaders told you to just believe and not question, to reject the power of your own brain. It's horrifying to watch.

That said, you managed in three brief sentences to enumerate everything that irritates me about how you cultists talk about us, and how you interact with what we like to call reality.

I have specifically told you the reasons I rejected your cult (which was my cult, back then, likely before you were born), and it doesn't involve sin. I'm trying to even figure out what sins I would have wanted to commit, back then. I didn't drink, didn't swear, and was a virgin when I left the faith. Even today, I am frequently told by my Christian friends and Christian fiancee that I am one of the most honor- and morals-driven people they know, and have even been told that I am ironically "more Christlike" than they are (in fairness, I've only been told this by two people, but in total sincerity).

Other than the fact that, as I progressed toward my new mindset I began to reject some of Christianity's silly Bronze Age notions about women and about sex, and to study human sexuality from a scientific POV, I rejected the idea of "waiting for marriage", but that's nto why I left the faith. It's not even close. And it infuriates me that you claim I just wanted to sin. My own father told me that stupid line, recently, and I invited him to tell me what sins he meant-- what did he think I found so heinous in the Bible that I would abandon God so I could do it? I also pointed out to him that I consider myself more moral than the Bible, because I reject slavery for any reason, I reject subjugation and suppression of women, and I find most of the genocide, anti-religious-freedom, and conform-or-be-murdered commands in the Old Testament to be in conflict with the US Constitution and with my own moral sense. But these are all positions I adopted as an adult, after leaving the faith at 17, when I had to actually give thought to such questions I had ignored, before.

Your attacks on "Reality, uniformity, knowledge, justice" making no sense without God is the kind of talking that convinces me you're just like any other cultist. It is insanity to state that I can only have knowledge or accept reality through the lens of a religious book and the teachings within. And you will never, never convince me that a being that I see as not one bit different from a rapist, in moral terms, a stronger being demanding obedience and submission via threat of torture, is giving out "justice" when people are punished for not guessing that the right religion out of the thousands that exist is the "special revelation" given to one particular group of nomadic sheepherders in the ancient Near East.

The fact that you can even think (or rather, accept what you were obviously told) that people only leave Christianity because they want to sin tells me all I need to know about your cult.

If you want to know, sin goes beyond what you act out. Sin starts with the heart. It is a heart condition. You don't whan to follow the God of creation and you think your ways are higer than His and you think your thoughts are higher than His. You lie about His character and lean on your own understanding. This is sin. I follow God and He is the one that made everything and Has every right to judge us. Still, it is your choice. You will do as you please and I am here to tell you the truth. As you have heard, and one day I pray that you truly experience, is that God does love you and seeks to save you from your sin through the death and ressurection of Jesus christ. You must actually repent and put your faith in Him, the one who loves your soul.

[Cyberman]

Why do I sin? Just cos!

I also tan.

[Whateverist]

Sin is the reason why people reject God.

Well that is certainly true in my case. As a serial killer I can only do my work if I keep God to hell out of my heart.

Before I became a killer I was a serial masturbator. There too I found it necessary to ignore God in order to rub out a satisfying one.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

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You know, Rekeisha, I'm not especially interested in engaging with you, since you have made it quite clear that you have blown your brains out with the bullet of cult-member thinking, and can't even consider a rationalist approach because your cult leaders told you to just believe and not question, to reject the power of your own brain. It's horrifying to watch.

That said, you managed in three brief sentences to enumerate everything that irritates me about how you cultists talk about us, and how you interact with what we like to call reality.

I have specifically told you the reasons I rejected your cult (which was my cult, back then, likely before you were born), and it doesn't involve sin. I'm trying to even figure out what sins I would have wanted  to commit, back then. I didn't drink, didn't swear, and was a virgin when I left the faith. Even today, I am frequently told by my Christian friends and Christian fiancee that I am one of the most honor- and morals-driven people they know, and have even been told that I am ironically "more Christlike" than they are (in fairness, I've only been told this by two people, but in total sincerity).

Other than the fact that, as I progressed toward my new mindset I began to reject some of Christianity's silly Bronze Age notions about women and about sex, and to study human sexuality from a scientific POV, I rejected the idea of "waiting for marriage", but that's nto why I left the faith. It's not even close. And it infuriates me that you claim I just wanted to sin. My own father told me that stupid line, recently, and I invited him to tell me what sins he meant-- what did he think I found so heinous in the Bible that I would abandon God so I could do it? I also pointed out to him that I consider myself more  moral than the Bible, because I reject slavery for any reason, I reject subjugation and suppression of women, and I find most of the genocide, anti-religious-freedom, and conform-or-be-murdered commands in the Old Testament to be in conflict with the US Constitution and with my own moral sense. But these are all positions I adopted as an adult, after leaving the faith at 17, when I had to actually give thought to such questions I had ignored, before.

Your attacks on "Reality, uniformity, knowledge, justice" making no sense without God is the kind of talking that convinces me you're just like any other cultist. It is insanity  to state that I can only have knowledge or accept reality through the lens of a religious book and the teachings within. And you will never, never  convince me that a being that I see as not one bit different from a rapist, in moral terms, a stronger being demanding obedience and submission via threat of torture, is giving out "justice" when people are punished for not guessing that the right religion out of the thousands that exist is the "special revelation" given to one particular group of nomadic sheepherders in the ancient Near East.

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The fact that you can even think  (or rather, accept what you were obviously told) that people only leave Christianity because they want to sin tells me all I need to know about your cult.

If you want to know, sin goes beyond what you act out. Sin starts with the heart. It is a heart condition. You don't whan to follow the God of creation and you think your ways are higer than His and you think your thoughts are higher than His. You lie about His character and lean on your own understanding. This is sin. I follow God and He is the one that made everything and Has every right to judge us. Still, it is your choice. You will do as you please and I am here to tell you the truth. As you have heard, and one day I pray that you truly experience, is that God does love you and seeks to save you from your sin through the death and ressurection of Jesus christ. You must actually repent and put your faith in Him, the one who loves your soul.

Notice I said want  to sin. That means "what's in the heart".

The bold highlighted parts prove what I am talking about, above. Cult, cult, cult.

They teach you to turn off your brain, to not trust yourself, to accept their reality over your own. 

Cult, cult, cult.

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Why do I sin? Just cos!

I also tan.

Do you tan on your cot?

Take a sec to consider.

I don't know what to do with csc.

[Whateverist]

Don't drink the Kool-aid, Rakeisha! Don't do it! God belief is made of soylent green.


https://youtu.be/9IKVj4l5GU4

[Cyberman]

Thanks, Mr Blow-the-movie-for-me!

[Redbeard The Pink]

I can't tell you what you believe but you can tell me? That sounds like a double standard.

I hold my beliefs because I know God it is that simple. Sin is the reason why people reject God. It isn't because of critical thinking skills or that reality says otherwise. Reality, uniformity, knowledge, justice doesn't make a bit of sense without Him. He is firmly in control of the world. Call it what you like but the truth of the matter is God is real and in control. God the Father sent His son Jesus, out of great love and mercy, to die for our sins. Those who accept Him receive eternal life and the Holy Spirit as a deposit.

All of creation is moving in the direction God has ordained and there is not a person in the world how can stop Him from accomplishing His plan that he already set out.

Oh really?


Failed bible prophecies


Why didn't he manage to do any of that, then? Seems like his plan has already gone haywire at least a few times. Like, all the times, really.


Come to think of it, pretty much the whole Bible is a story about how mad he gets at humans for constantly fucking up his plans. He's really gotta be kicking himself for that free will shit by now. What was he thinking? What's the use of being omnipotent if puny little humans can just up and decide you don't even exist and they don't have to follow your plans at all?


And yeah, you insist on using your book to "explain" why we stopped believing and/or how we weren't really Christians, so I'm using my books to explain the real reasons why you're able to continue believing in your invisible friends even though they are evidently nonexistent. The only real difference is that you're using a collection of Bronze and Iron Age myths, while I'm using science books. See how annoying it is?


You don't know Gaud. You can't because he isn't real, pure and simple. If you still believe in Gaud even though he isn't real, it's because you've been indoctrinated into doing so and/or you just don't have the critical faculties to objectively analyze your own beliefs. I'm not trying to belittle you or hurt your feelings; I'm just trying to tell you the truth about how ignorant you are so you'll accept reality and finally gain salvation from your superstitious imagination.