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RE: General argument for Islam.
April 4, 2015 at 10:02 pm
(April 4, 2015 at 9:52 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Professor, you are misunderstanding.
By logic, I know out of creation, there exists those who are most good in deeds, the best of them, those who excel in goodness and are of exalted honor.
I know of the best creation, there would be those special in God's eyes.
I know by logic, that God being praiseworthy, graceful, and majestic, would honor them with is closeness, bestow upon them higher wisdom, and that they are those purified by God through out their lives, as their intentions are pure and high.
By logic, I know they are most fit for leadership, and that they wish to guide others and help others awaken from the darkness of themselves, to the light of God and ascend on the journey to God.
These leaders are no where to be found but in religion.
No book emphasizes on following such people, clinging to them, their exalted station, their purity, their sincere righteous station, and their relationship to God and to humanity, as does the Quran.
Furthermore in the spiritual world, there needs to be a connection between the eternal absolute and the imperfect chain hearts. This connection occurs through their companionship, and that such a guide and leader existing in each age, needs to be reminded in a holy book.
Aside from the OP, I argued that the false unjust authority of leaders of misguidance are to be rejected and no book emphasized on rejecting their leadership and replacing it with authority of God and his chosen ones, then the Quran.
This wisdom is uniquely emphasized in the Quran.
How did you come to any of these logical conclusions?
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RE: General argument for Islam.
April 4, 2015 at 10:08 pm
Well, Mystic I sure agree that the Quran seems based on the perfection of some people.
This view of perfection is diametrically opposed to the Bible and is what is usually called Self- righteousness.
Something that doesn't go over too well in the Western world nor with God.
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RE: General argument for Islam.
April 4, 2015 at 10:08 pm
(April 4, 2015 at 10:02 pm)paulpablo Wrote: How did you come to any of these logical conclusions?
Ok let's start with the first one. Do you think it's a logical conclusion that among humanity are the best of humans?
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RE: General argument for Islam.
April 4, 2015 at 10:10 pm
(April 4, 2015 at 10:08 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (April 4, 2015 at 10:02 pm)paulpablo Wrote: How did you come to any of these logical conclusions?
Ok let's start with the first one. Do you think it's a logical conclusion that among humanity are the best of humans?
You have humans who are the best at certain things for a certain time. It doesn't necesserily make them the best humans. How would you judge who is the best human?
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RE: General argument for Islam.
April 4, 2015 at 10:11 pm
(April 4, 2015 at 10:10 pm)paulpablo Wrote: (April 4, 2015 at 10:08 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Ok let's start with the first one. Do you think it's a logical conclusion that among humanity are the best of humans?
You have humans who are the best at certain things for a certain time. It doesn't necesserily make them the best humans. How would you judge who is the best human? Who excel in goodness and virtue I mean.
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RE: General argument for Islam.
April 4, 2015 at 10:13 pm
(April 4, 2015 at 10:11 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (April 4, 2015 at 10:10 pm)paulpablo Wrote: You have humans who are the best at certain things for a certain time. It doesn't necesserily make them the best humans. How would you judge who is the best human? Who excel in goodness and virtue I mean.
It's logical that there are people out there who are kinder and and honest than less honest and less kind people.
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RE: General argument for Islam.
April 4, 2015 at 10:15 pm
(April 4, 2015 at 10:13 pm)paulpablo Wrote: (April 4, 2015 at 10:11 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Who excel in goodness and virtue I mean.
It's logical that there are people out there who are kinder and and honest than less honest and less kind people.
Is there so far one human who excels the most in goodness?
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RE: General argument for Islam.
April 4, 2015 at 10:19 pm
(April 4, 2015 at 10:15 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (April 4, 2015 at 10:13 pm)paulpablo Wrote: It's logical that there are people out there who are kinder and and honest than less honest and less kind people.
Is there so far one human who excels the most in goodness?
I wouldn't be presumptuous or arrogant enough to assume that I have enough accurate knowledge of the entire human race in all of its history to say that I know there is one human who excels the most in goodness.
1 The opinion of what is good changes from time to time and from culture to culture.
2 I don't have enough proof or knowledge of every humans good and bad deeds, and also their circumstances.
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RE: General argument for Islam.
April 4, 2015 at 10:24 pm
Do you believe there existed very good people?
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RE: General argument for Islam.
April 4, 2015 at 10:25 pm
(April 4, 2015 at 10:24 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Do you believe there existed very good people?
I believe people existed who I would classify as good.
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