But don't you know?

[Foxaèr]

Kitan's little rant is the only childish thing so far. Never seen a cloud gremlin nor do I believe in one, so no. As for God and the heaven He has for His children of faith, we will have many jobs to work, million year vacations to explore the universe, but most of all we will be face to face with Him, able to thank Him for what He did to redeem us to himself.

GC 

You have not seen a gremlin and you deny it's existence, yet you illogically claim belief in god despite having never seem him in the next sentence, despite both gremlins and god both being based on mere imagination.  
Good job at being veritably dumb.  

[Spooky]

Christianity. 

[Iroscato]

Yes, they are a reminder that God will never flood the world again, He cleaned it up with a flood of water and now He is cleaning up people with a flood of love through Christ our savoir.

Nope. They appear as a result of sunlight passing through rain and being refracted. It can be explained entirely as a scientific process. This is nursery school level stuff, your lack of foundational education troubles me. Please keep talking though, I'm beginning to find you endlessly amusing

[TubbyTubby]

Yes, they are a reminder that God will never flood the world again, He cleaned it up with a flood of water and now He is cleaning up people with a flood of love through Christ our savoir. 

GC

Then you have no place calling anybody childish Godschild.

[downbeatplumb]

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Just out of interest GC, do you believe that rainbows are a sign from god?

Yes, they are a reminder that God will never flood the world again, He cleaned it up with a flood of water and now He is cleaning up people with a flood of love through Christ our savoir. 

GC

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So I take it before rainbows light interacted differently with water droplets in your head?
You truly are a lost cause.

[John V]

No my mind is not closed. Open minds are why we got men to the moon. Open minds are why blacks are no longer slaves.

As you didn't get men to the moon or free any slaves, how does this show that you have an open mind?

You are the one who has closed your mind and pinned the hopes of your own future on an old book of myth written by bronze age scientifically ignorant men who didn't know any better.

Closed minded is clinging to a book that looks more like a fairy tale with talking snakes, talking donkeys, talking bushes, men magically popping out dirt. Would you suddenly believe in Harry Potter if someone quoted that book to explain air flight with brooms? 

So to you, an open mind is one which only believes what it can see, and a closed mind is one which is willing to consider things beyond what it sees.

Got it.

So according to you, your god character puts humans as his property?

Yes.

Ok, so to him you are like a house or a car or a building?

No. We begin that way, but those that believe are made sons and daughters, and joint heirs with Christ.

I am not an object so if you want claim that that alone would prevent me from worshiping such a being,

If you worship him, then you're no longer owned, but become family.

not that you even have any scientific evidence for one in any case. 

So your mind is closed to anything you can't prove scientifically.

Oh wait, I forgot...you think this means you have an open mind for some reason.

[Brian37]

No my mind is not closed. Open minds are why we got men to the moon. Open minds are why blacks are no longer slaves.

As you didn't get men to the moon or free any slaves, how does this show that you have an open mind?

You are the one who has closed your mind and pinned the hopes of your own future on an old book of myth written by bronze age scientifically ignorant men who didn't know any better.

Closed minded is clinging to a book that looks more like a fairy tale with talking snakes, talking donkeys, talking bushes, men magically popping out dirt. Would you suddenly believe in Harry Potter if someone quoted that book to explain air flight with brooms? 

So to you, an open mind is one which only believes what it can see, and a closed mind is one which is willing to consider things beyond what it sees.

Got it.

So according to you, your god character puts humans as his property?

Yes.

Ok, so to him you are like a house or a car or a building?

No. We begin that way, but those that believe are made sons and daughters, and joint heirs with Christ.

I am not an object so if you want claim that that alone would prevent me from worshiping such a being,

If you worship him, then you're no longer owned, but become family.

not that you even have any scientific evidence for one in any case. 

So your mind is closed to anything you can't prove scientifically.

Oh wait, I forgot...you think this means you have an open mind for some reason.

Now you are pulling shit out of your ass.

You are back peddling because I got you to admit the way you view your god character as claiming we belong to him and you agreed WE are his property, you saw how stupid that sounded, so you tried to remove yourself from being "property" while living me at that status. 

BULLSHIT, 

But ok, now you are not property while I still am.

Still justifying a mafia mentality. La Costa Nostra "This thing of ours".  Mafias are "Families" too. Nope, I have no desire to belong to a gang. There is no god and humans are the same species.

Do not hypocritically agree with me and use the word "we" and say "yes we are his property", then stupidly knowing how stupid that is, suddenly change your mind because you know how vile that sounds.

You want me at that status because it makes you feel superior to me. It is nothing more than your own selfish desire you reflect when buying into ANY religion.

Nope, not belonging to your mafia gang does not make me property even in that case. I am not something anyone owns.

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Instead of mentally trying to cling to a bad idea, try understanding WHY the concept of protecting the tribe is a horrible way to view the world. You like all religions, get stuck on pretty and ignore what the idea of grouping around religion does to divide humanity.

Religion acts as a gap fill placebo, it is great for creating safety in numbers, but the dark side of it is that safety is local and the poison of ALL religions is that it pits the in group vs the out group. Just like competing mafia bosses.

[robvalue]

"Rainbows" were not in the original text, I believe. If you look at earlier versions, it just says "bow".

They ripped off a previous mythology with this story, in fact several, which may explain this confusion.

There seems to be some dispute over exactly what the "bow" meant, be it a warrior's bow, a necklace or a rainbow.

This video outlines the ripoff, but it doesn't mention about the "bow" bit. I'll see if I can find something more about that.

http://youtu.be/_um69RqBpSw

[edited due to faulty memory, apologies!]

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Here's something about the necklace from Gilgamesh:

http://nathanbauman.com/odysseus/?p=800

[TubbyTubby]

Never fails to utterly astound me that in 2015 we still have adults that are so deluded they believe rainbows from god bollocks instead of using their brains to think properly.

[robvalue]

That... is a little worrying, yes.