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RE: Did Yahweh Set Adam Up?
April 26, 2015 at 1:33 pm
That doesn't really make sense either. There was a source of light so strong that you can't see past it to the actual person behind it?
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RE: Did Yahweh Set Adam Up?
April 26, 2015 at 2:34 pm
It would help if God could provide us some video evidence of all this. He can do that, right? And all the Jesus stuff too.
It would really help us believe in him. You listening God? Throw us a bone. Take a break from not curing diseases for a minute.
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RE: Did Yahweh Set Adam Up?
April 26, 2015 at 8:23 pm
(April 26, 2015 at 2:34 pm)robvalue Wrote: Take a break from not curing diseases doing anything of value or notice for a minute.
Fixed that for you. 
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RE: Did Yahweh Set Adam Up?
April 26, 2015 at 9:15 pm
Somehow ,I don't think you are going to get the physical evidence you are seeking.
The Israelis saw 10 wonders on their way out of Egypt.
Seeing isn't always believing- they didn't believe.
The Jews demanded a sign from Jesus. They got His sign of Jonah- they didn't believe that either.
You have the amazing creation as evidence and instead of recognizing the wonder of it's creator,
fairy tales of origin are devised and those are believed.
I do think you guys have one shot coming up though.
Jesus is coming, but, you-know- who, is coming forth first.
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RE: Did Yahweh Set Adam Up?
April 26, 2015 at 9:23 pm
If creation is proof of a god, it's proof of every creator god. Every bit of nature is proof of every god that's associated with that thing.
A group of polytheists were supposedly led out of slavery by a god, and left to wander the desert for forty years. then the leader who spoke for this god went up a mountain for a while, and they decided to worship Baalzebur to get them out of their predicament, and were punished for breaking a rule that wasn't written down before the calf was forged. Not to mention that the guy who forged the calf wasn't even punished.
The Jews wanted someone who matched a list of things the messiah needed to meet, and Jesus didn't.
People have been talking about the end times since Jesus told a crowd of people that the end was coming in their lifetimes. How many failed predictions are there going to be before people give up on this?
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RE: Did Yahweh Set Adam Up?
April 26, 2015 at 10:18 pm
(This post was last modified: April 26, 2015 at 10:19 pm by robvalue.)
Yeah, I don't think God is interested in proving he exists. Why would that be? I've heard it's because it would remove our free will or something. It certainly wouldn't, I don't have to worship him. I'd be happy he showed himself, but I have no compulsion to do anything with that knowledge. If he's going to take over my mind and make me do it anyway, then he's hardly concerned with free will. He screws with free will several times in the bible anyhow so it's not a priority for him.
Either he doesn't exist, or he's trying really hard to make it look like he doesn't exist. If he expects worship while refusing to even show me there's anything to worship, he's wasting his time and mine.
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RE: Did Yahweh Set Adam Up?
April 27, 2015 at 8:42 am
(April 26, 2015 at 1:23 pm)professor Wrote: A&E did not know they were naked because they could not see past the light emanating from both of them.
It was the light of God and when they rejected the leadership of Him-
the light left and they saw their flesh for the first time and they saw they were naked. If they were enveloped in an aura that blinded them, they were always at risk of stumbling into the tree of knowledge and eating of the fruit. Maybe god should have created eyes that could see clearly through the heavenly glow? Because that's got to be frustrating to be in this stunningly beautiful garden and given everything you could want and be fumbling and tripping all over the place because god doesn't have low beams.
Quote:Somehow ,I don't think you are going to get the physical evidence you are seeking.
Kinda had that same feeling myself.
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RE: Did Yahweh Set Adam Up?
April 27, 2015 at 8:55 am
If I ever get hurt, and I ask to be rushed to A&E, and there's a naked couple and some trees, I'll be pissed!
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RE: Did Yahweh Set Adam Up?
April 27, 2015 at 12:54 pm
professor Wrote:H4,
There wasn't any magic spell on the fruit.
The change was within A&E- that change began all the other changes.
I suppose the delay was because Adam was the one in authority and the change could not come until he gave his authority over the the snake (Satan) by his obedience to the snake.
So would you agree that Adam was setup to fail by yahweh?
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RE: Did Yahweh Set Adam Up?
April 27, 2015 at 2:15 pm
They weren't set up any more than students in any school are set-up when they get to take a test.
NO they were not set up.
It was a test and they failed, just as we all fail to do what we know we ought to do.
Each one of us would have blown it, and don't say Adam and Eve must have been stupid- we would have done likewise.
It is foolish to blame God, when we ourselves swim in failure like a goldfish in a pond.
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