Did Yahweh Set Adam Up?

[Rhondazvous]

All of us here, at one time or another, have fallen for the words of the snake, the seeking after the kind of knowledge the snake led them to- is the same kind exalted here.

Notice they were NOT enticed to eat from the tree of Life (which they could have done with no penalty),
just as people disregard eating from it today, in spite of God's offer to taste and see that the Lord is good.
Jesus IS that tree.
He even saw to it that He paid the price for us UPON a tree.
We aren't any different than A&E.
And they were NOT children put to some nasty test.
I always marvel at the despicable character God is painted into at AF.
 You do know the snake still speaks to the children of Adam.
Just say NO to snakes.

If you're so concerned about the picture god is painted in, then throw your Bible out the window. It's that book and just about every other  "holy" book that makes god look despicable.  I said it before. I will say it again. We did not write that book, so don't hold us responsible for what we find therein.

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They weren't set up any more than students in any school are set-up when they get to take a test.
NO they were not set up.
It was a test and they failed, just as we all fail to do what we know we ought to do.
Each one of us would have blown it, and don't say Adam and Eve must have been stupid- we would have done likewise.
It is foolish to blame God, when we ourselves swim in failure like a goldfish in a pond.

There's nothing I can say to this idiot that has not already been said.  His fiat insistence on believing what clearly is not true is disingenuous.

[Rhondazvous]

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Only contextually. I've been dealing with GC for years, my lack of patience with him is well earned.

You should see me with people who haven't earned my ire; we get along quite well. If you drop the hasty assumptions, you might even be one of them.

Having patience with GC is like trying to bail out a leaking boat with a sock. You have my sympathy. All of it.

[Godscreated]

Tell us where is the evidence they were not prepared, seems God would not have given them an rule if they were not prepared, they wouldn't even know they were give a rule if they were not prepared, nor would they know they would be punished. Seems to me you are being silly about this matter.

GC

Reread my post. They would need some understanding of good and evil to be able to understand why disobedience is wrong. they didn't have that until they ate the fruit. Therefore, they were unprepared. Like a 1- year old child who knows what the words yes and no mean, but don't understand why they can't eat candy all the time until they eat enough to make themself sick.

What does a child eating candy have to do with this. Where is your evidence they were not prepared, you've skipped over what I asked. Want to use a child for this, a young child knows when told not to do something it will be punished, yet that young child doesn't know good and evil. 

GC

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My time spent online is somehow an indicator of that (?)

Well, you've obviously been here for so long and seen so much, your not at all hasty judgement must be 100% accurate

In a time spent here comparison to me you're a   . What does time spent on anything give a person the credentials of superiority, seems we have a person here smarter than you.

GC

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Only contextually. I've been dealing with GC for years, my lack of patience with him is well earned.

You should see me with people who haven't earned my ire; we get along quite well. If you drop the hasty assumptions, you might even be one of them.

Having patience with GC is like trying to bail out a leaking boat with a sock. You have my sympathy. All of it.

What makes you better than me, your education at a Bible school. So far you've shown nothing in you arguments with me about scripture, you've used little more than I told you so or cherry picked verses and placed then in a context that doesn't fit the surrounding verses. 

GC

[Longhorn]

In a time spent here comparison to me you're a   . What does time spent on anything give a person the credentials of superiority, seems we have a person here smarter than you.

GC

The person I was responding to made a big generalisation of the whole forum very hastily, as in the very same day he registered, what I meant by pointing out his time online was that he wouldn't know the forum well enough to be able to judge it, not that it indicates superiority, GC

[Rhondazvous]

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Having patience with GC is like trying to bail out a leaking boat with a sock. You have my sympathy. All of it.

What makes you better than me, your education at a Bible school. So far you've shown nothing in you arguments with me about scripture, you've used little more than I told you so or cherry picked verses and placed then in a context that doesn't fit the surrounding verses. 

GC

Gee, you're cute when you're angry. You really take that walk by faith not by sight thing to heart, don't you. Remember, the burden of proof is on you, not me and your coming in herewith your eyes wide shut, refusing to see what is made plain to you doesn't prove anything but your own density.. 

[Chad32]

 What does a child eating candy have to do with this. Where is your evidence they were not prepared, you've skipped over what I asked. Want to use a child for this, a young child knows when told not to do something it will be punished, yet that young child doesn't know good and evil.

Well apparently eve wasn't told "Hey. If someone tells you something contrary to what I've told you, come talk to me about it. Ok?"


All it took was the snake telling her what the apple does, and that it won't directly kill her, and she ate it immediately. What do you think he might have told her to prepare her for deceit that a short conversation just overrode that? My evidence of them being unprepared is the fact that it was so easy to get them to break that one rule. All the snake had to do was tell the truth. All eve had to do was offer adam the apple. Neither one of them thought maybe they should consult Yahweh about this new development before going ahead with it.


Yes, that's the point of comparing them to children. They know what words mean, but they don't understand why, so it's not hard at all to make them forget that they'll be punished. Especially if they've never been punished before. They have no point of reference.

[Rhondazvous]

In a time spent here comparison to me you're a   . What does time spent on anything give a person the credentials of superiority, seems we have a person here smarter than you.

GC

The person I was responding to made a big generalisation of the whole forum very hastily, as in the very same day he registered, what I meant by pointing out his time online was that he wouldn't know the forum well enough to be able to judge it, not that it indicates superiority,  GC

This must be some kind of game he's playing. He did the same thing with me, talking about I think I'm better than he is. His first reply to me was to assume that I am ignorant, getting my information from google. Now he wants to play the underdog. His game is 2 inches thinner than wet tissue paper.

[Godscreated]

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What makes you better than me, your education at a Bible school. So far you've shown nothing in you arguments with me about scripture, you've used little more than I told you so or cherry picked verses and placed then in a context that doesn't fit the surrounding verses. 

GC

Gee, you're cute when you're angry. You really take that walk by faith not by sight thing to heart, don't you. Remember, the burden of proof is on you, not me and your coming in herewith your eyes wide shut, refusing to see what is made plain to you doesn't prove anything but your own density.. 

I guess some might consider that a good dodge, I on the other hand believe no dodge is good. First off you haven't the first clue what walking by faith is, you might if you had ever studied scripture used it as a contradiction but, it would have to be a very shallow study at best. The scriptures teach we can know God is real. As for the burden of proof goes, when you challenge me then the burden becomes your's.
When I'm angry I lose all my cuteness, so you'll know when I'm angry. For what I see, it's this, you wasted your money on an education at a Bible school.

GC

[Pyrrho]

... As for the burden of proof goes, when you challenge me then the burden becomes your's.
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No.  The burden of proof is on the person who makes a claim.  If you claim that God exists, the burden of proof is on you.  If someone says, "prove it," that challenge does not change the burden of proof.  That challenge simply asks you to provide the proof for your claim.  If you don't prove your claim, than if other people don't believe you, that is your fault for not meeting the burden of proof.

[Godscreated]

 What does a child eating candy have to do with this. Where is your evidence they were not prepared, you've skipped over what I asked. Want to use a child for this, a young child knows when told not to do something it will be punished, yet that young child doesn't know good and evil.

Well apparently eve wasn't told "Hey. If someone tells you something contrary to what I've told you, come talk to me about it. Ok?"


All it took was the snake telling her what the apple does, and that it won't directly kill her, and she ate it immediately. What do you think he might have told her to prepare her for deceit that a short conversation just overrode that? My evidence of them being unprepared is the fact that it was so easy to get them to break that one rule. All the snake had to do was tell the truth. All eve had to do was offer adam the apple. Neither one of them thought maybe they should consult Yahweh about this new development before going ahead with it.


Yes, that's the point of comparing them to children. They know what words mean, but they don't understand why, so it's not hard at all to make them forget that they'll be punished. Especially if they've never been punished before. They have no point of reference.

You are so blind to what the scriptures say you want even try to understand what's really there. I'm going to point it out to you and you will have to deal with it as you will and, I'm sure it want be to the positive side, simply because you have yet to show you will.
Satan lied to Eve when he told her what the fruit would do, she had seen in person the glory of God and who God really is, Satan used this to push his lie. Satan told Eve that if she ate of the fruit she would be just like God and not die, she saw in her mind what see could become because of what she had seen with her eyes. It was an impossible thing, she didn't become like God who still remains sinless and still alive, Eve is neither, this is just the beginning of what she isn't. As far as God explaining what good and evil were, they couldn't have understood they didn't know anything about it, it wouldn't have made any sense to them. They did understand they would die, she expressed that to Satan and Adam expressed that to her. They also understood that disobedience would lead to their death, again she expressed that to Satan and Adam expressed that to Eve. In your statement you are presuming that they were created, that being so the Creator could easily put into their minds what death and punishment were and in their expressions of what God told them they understood fully.

GC 

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... As for the burden of proof goes, when you challenge me then the burden becomes your's.
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No.  The burden of proof is on the person who makes a claim.  If you claim that God exists, the burden of proof is on you.  If someone says, "prove it," that challenge does not change the burden of proof.  That challenge simply asks you to provide the proof for your claim.  If you don't prove your claim, than if other people don't believe you, that is your fault for not meeting the burden of proof.

The challenge wasn't about God's reality, she challenged me in my ability to defend scripture I did and she dodged it, simple as that. Get the real facts before jumping into a conversation.

GC