Game of Thrones Season 5 Discussion [SPOILERS WITHIN]

[Iroscato]

Replace 'Life' with 'Game of Thrones' and you have a pretty accurate picture of the feels journey...

[FatAndFaithless]

And the person who baked the cookie..and everyone that cookie ever cared about...and then one of the croissants will come back from the trash bin to crush the living.

[Saxmoof]

I think if she addresses the Dothraki in their own language it will give them pause...plus the massive black firebreathing dinosaur that I'm sure is going to join her very soon.

Good point, after Drogon's nap they're fucked

[rexbeccarox]

I totally agree, but again, good writing can make things conceivable. Of one thing, I have very little doubt: the White Walkers are related to the Starks in some way.

How so?

I dunno... that's why I said "in some way".  What points to it for me are things like Bran's relationship to the three-eyed raven, and getting saved from the wights by the child of the forest; the interest the Night's King took in Jon Snow during the last episode; Jeor Mormont's gift of Longclaw, a Valyrian steel sword, wasn't a coincidence, as Jon saved him from a wight; the hypotheses that the Night's King is actually Robb Stark (which, yes, seems strange, I agree); Bran's greensight, along with Rickon's, suggesting that all of the Starks might be wargs...

[FatAndFaithless]

Unsure if you've read all the books so I'll hide it in spoilers anyway

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I had forgotten that there's an old rumor that the Night's King (the 13th lord commander of the Night's Watch) was/is a Stark. I'd wager that the Night's King we see in the show is the one from those thousands of years ago, since I doubt White Walkers age like us.

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[rexbeccarox]

Unsure if you've read all the books so I'll hide it in spoilers anyway

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I had forgotten that there's an old rumor that the Night's King (the 13th lord commander of the Night's Watch) was/is a Stark.  I'd wager that the Night's King we see in the show is the one from those thousands of years ago, since I doubt White Walkers age like us.

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I haven't read all the books, but there has been such departure that I really don't worry about spoilers

As for the NK, I would tend to agree with you there.

[FatAndFaithless]

Oh, and I didn't mean that that tiny spoiler was a rumor online, but it's actually a rumor/legend in the books' universe.

[rexbeccarox]

Yeah, I understood what you meant

[Napoléon]

So is Jon actually dead? I'd read that Kit Harrington gave an interview saying he was done with the series. If that's actually true then fuck Game of Thrones. Why the fuck would you invest so much screen time in a character to kill him off in such an inconsequential way. What a waste of fucking time. I understand the staple of the series is that main characters get killed off. But it seems to me like recent deaths are happening with no real purpose or thought from a writing point of view. Stannis killing his daughter makes no fucking sense, I don't care how you want to justify it. And now Jon being killed in such a lame way after everything he's been through, the amount of screen time he'd been given, what the fuck man? Honestly? I get that it makes sense for some characters to be killed off. Or that some characters can be killed off, but it just doesn't make any sense.

Alternately I read somewhere else that he could be brought back to life like Beric Dondaryon was, and that Melisandre might be the one to do it (the fact she makes a timely return to Castle Black would indicate this, and you know, she's supposed to be a fucking witch so anything is possible). There's all sorts of theories as to how he could return. The night's watch oath also bounds him until death. Him actually dying and being brought back could be a way of him getting around that via a loophole, no? Allowing him to go be ruler of Winterfell and all that other bollocks. This would actually make sense and be cool.

I'm really fucked off though if he's actually dead. Not just because he was one of my favourite characters, but because it would be just the same as if you suddenly killed off Daenerys in a similarly lame way. She's gone off, done all these things, brought all these people together, developed as a character over hours of screen time, and *poof* just like that she's killed by a mutiny or some other similarly shit way.

Storytelling, even if you aim to make it 'realistic' or 'dark' or even 'shocking', should still have a fucking point. If Jon dies then what was the fucking point in wasting so much god damn time with his bullshit. He was clearly set up as one of the main characters (the others being Tyrion, Sansa, Arya and Daenerys).

Ugh. I just can't believe he's actually been killed off. Did this shit really happen? I'm not saying main characters can't be killed off, or even that they shouldn't be, but does anyone else not find the story completely infuriating and a massive time waste (if he is ofcourse actually gone)?

[FatAndFaithless]

The general feeling amongst us book-nerds who pore over the most tiny details and argue at each other about it, is that he is dead and will be revived by Melisandre (or revived in some way. And he's far too pivotal to the plot (for multiple reasons, some unrevealed yet in the show) for him to go out like that.