Election Night "Prayer"

[ReptilianPeon]

[Minimalist]

This "god's will" shit is difficult to overcome...especially since god's fucking will seems identical to "random chance."

[robvalue]

If god always does what's best, why do you need to pray for it to happen?

Religious people play the beaten down abuse victims who accept whatever their cruel master inflicts on them. If it's bad, they deserved it, it was their fault.

[ReptilianPeon]

If god always does what's best, why do you need to pray for it to happen?

Religious people play the beaten down abuse victims who accept whatever their cruel master inflicts on them. If it's bad, they deserved it, it was their fault.

I might go to the whyislam.org forum with that. They say they are for open discussion after all. And Salat is bogus 'cause it's not even in the Quran, if I remember correctly. So yeah, they should 'spill the beans' on this whole 'god knows best thing'.

[TheRealJoeFish]

This "god's will" shit is difficult to overcome...especially since god's fucking will seems identical to "random chance."

[robvalue]

If god always does what's best, why do you need to pray for it to happen?

Religious people play the beaten down abuse victims who accept whatever their cruel master inflicts on them. If it's bad, they deserved it, it was their fault.

I might go to the whyislam.org forum with that. They say they are for open discussion after all. And Salat is bogus 'cause it's not even in the Quran, if I remember correctly. So yeah, they should 'spill the beans' on this whole 'god knows best thing'.

Yeah, I wonder what they will say to this? If god really does only ever do what is best, then no praying is ever necessary, in fact it's a waste of time except for scoring browny points. What you actually wish to happen makes no difference. I've not heard any theist try to counter this conclusion on this forum.

So they'll have to alter the model arbitrarily:

God does the best thing... as long as enough people ask for it? But they're not going to know what the best thing is, they'll all be praying for loads of completely different shit. The chances of it actually being the best thing are minuscule, so he'll just be ignoring almost every prayer. The only prayer worth doing in this situation is, "Please god, do the best thing, whatever that is!" Weird. What happens if people don't ask him to do the best thing? He does something crappy instead? What a cock!

The whole thing is broken. If god knows everything, and only does the best thing, then he already knows what the best thing is and whether or not it includes you finding your fucking car keys, and will do it whatever people pray for. So either god doesn't know everything, or god doesn't always do the best thing, or prayer is a waste of time except for being a sycophant. Which is it theists?