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What Would It Take To Be Convinced?
May 3, 2015 at 3:20 pm
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An interesting question to ponder is what would qualify as substantial enough evidence to convince atheists like us of the existence of something greater? If the very simplistic scenario of a big man with a white beard appearing before us was contemplated, most of us would probably still believe it to be more rational to attribute this to some sort of hallucination; thus, this leads to the question: what would be enough to convince us non-believers? I think it's a difficult but interesting thought.
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RE: What Would It Take To Be Convinced?
May 3, 2015 at 3:50 pm
(May 3, 2015 at 3:20 pm)PhilosophicalZebra Wrote: An interesting question to ponder is what would qualify as substantial enough evidence to convince atheists like us of the existence of something greater? If the very simplistic scenario of a big man with a white beard appearing before us was contemplated, most of us would probably still believe it to be more rational to attribute this to some sort of hallucination; thus, this leads to the question: what would be enough to convince us non-believers? I think it's a difficult but interesting thought.
I honestly have no idea. Whatever it would possibly be, it would have to withstand examination. It would have to be, somehow, measurable.
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RE: What Would It Take To Be Convinced?
May 3, 2015 at 3:51 pm
"Something Greater" would have to show up and prove itself.
I'm not holding my breath on that.
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RE: What Would It Take To Be Convinced?
May 3, 2015 at 3:55 pm
God revealing himself fully to the human race, and demonstrating his power and dominion over the cosmos. He would also have to subject himself to examination and rigorous testing by scientists so that they could categorically prove he is not a mass hallucination. Nothing less would convince me, because that would most certainly qualify as 'clear and undeniable proof'.
To get me to actually like him would require a long and detailed explanation about why he isn't actually omnipotent and other forces as powerful as he prevent him from interfering too much.
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RE: What Would It Take To Be Convinced?
May 3, 2015 at 4:03 pm
If someone could defy physics in a way that I can show everyone, and they experience the same thing. Do something that can be proven concretely. That would prove he exists. As far as me thinking he's worthy of worship in any way but fear would be another thing.
Yahweh seems to be able to do anything that can be explained in some other way, but nothing that can only be explained by supernatural causes. Like regrowing limbs or something.
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RE: What Would It Take To Be Convinced?
May 3, 2015 at 4:07 pm
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I'll tell you what it won't take, for me:
- Unverifiable stories, whether mythology or personal anecdotes.
- PRATT arguments, especially originating from AiG, CSE and similar fraud factories.
- Tortuous logical gymnastics.
- Burden of proof shifting, portable goalposts and especially red herrings.
- Arguments from ignorance/personal incredulity.
- Arguments from popularity.
- God-of-the-gaps.
- Accusations of closed-mindedness, salted with threats of damnation.
- Anything from this list.
- Basically anything that wouldn't withstand detailed scrutiny.
It's not an exhaustive list, nor an unreasonable one.
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RE: What Would It Take To Be Convinced?
May 3, 2015 at 4:19 pm
Quote:Like regrowing limbs or something.
http://www.hhmi.org/biointeractive/newt-...generation
Quote:Urodele amphibians—newts and salamanders—are able to regenerate fully functional limbs in response to amputation. Cells in and near the limb stump dedifferentiate to form a mass of stemlike cells that can produce all the specialized tissues of the limb, such as muscle, nerves, and blood vessels.
Apparently fucking 'god' thinks humans have no need of such a wonderful trick.
Scumbag.
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RE: What Would It Take To Be Convinced?
May 3, 2015 at 4:30 pm
$200 and I'm convinced
Or some real solid evidence, that could work
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RE: What Would It Take To Be Convinced?
May 3, 2015 at 4:41 pm
For me, it cannot be done. As there is no god, anything bizarre enough to suggest so would be either an unknown natural physical process or a hallucination.
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RE: What Would It Take To Be Convinced?
May 3, 2015 at 4:51 pm
(May 3, 2015 at 3:20 pm)PhilosophicalZebra Wrote: An interesting question to ponder is what would qualify as substantial enough evidence to convince atheists like us of the existence of something greater? If the very simplistic scenario of a big man with a white beard appearing before us was contemplated, most of us would probably still believe it to be more rational to attribute this to some sort of hallucination; thus, this leads to the question: what would be enough to convince us non-believers? I think it's a difficult but interesting thought.
If he shows himself to me and i have a lot of questions which i would ask him and if we can satisfy me then i will believe that he is the God
if the theory of evolution fails,if something super natural comes up out of nowhere then i will have to reconsider my beliefs
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