So is ISIL winning the war?

[A Theist]

IN THE NEWS: U.S. intervention into Syria in the war against ISIS by U.S. Commandos takes out top ISIS leader.

US special forces kill Isis commander and capture wife in Syria raid

US special operations forces have killed an Islamic State commander through a dramatic and secretive raid into Syria and have taken a woman prisoner, the first US-held detainee of the war against Isis and a move that places immediate stress on one of Barack Obama’s signature wartime policies...

“The operation represents another significant blow to Isis, and it is a reminder that the United States will never waver in denying safe haven to terrorists who threaten our citizens, and those of our friends and allies,” Carter said in a statement.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-s...id=DELLDHP

[nihilistcat]

Who cares?

[Anomalocaris]

Given that the US has apparently created ISIS by overthrowing the baathists in Iraq, I'd say more intervention is not going to work. All it's done is make it worse.

ISIS was once an affiliate of Al Qaeda, but the two terror groups has since parted ways. It was after Obama ordered U.S. troops to withdraw that ISIS was able to conquer and control a large area of Iraq.

You moron, Iraq is not the U.S.   The U.S. LACKS the resource, the clear end objective, and the political will to stay there for more than a few years.   What allowed ISIS to thrive was:

1.  U.S. Political simpletons out of the most naive reasons shattered the long standing and functioning secular social and security structure in Iraq, leaving a vacuum with the ironic notion that voting in a society without any tradition or sense of humanistic outlook will somehow take care of it.

2.  U.S. military simpletons had no notion whatsoever that war and politics is a unbreakable, undelineable continuum in the middleeast,  and had no notion that it could never win the political war there, and therefore all military success is and would forever be irrelevant.


Basically, Iraq was a sorry looking prison ship under saddam, but it was more or less watertight.   The U.S. went in and blew out the bottom of the ship, and thought somehow the ship would float when the chains came off of the prisoners.   Well, some prisoner bailed, not very hard, and some stabbed eachothers, hard. The ship started to take on water, The U.S. shouted "if everyone would stop stabbing eachother and bail, I would leave". Everyone said "good bye".  The U.S. left.

Everyone went right back to stab eachother, and this time even fewer people thought about bailing.    Now A-theist, dumb as a post, is arguing it is all Obama's fault for not making the U.S. stand hip deep in water and bail all by ourselves forever.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I think we stop exporting American bombs to brown-skinned countries, and let the locals handle this.

The grey area on the map that represents the conquered territories now controlled by ISIS, are  the locals. If ISIS continues to expand, unchecked, especially if they conquer the oil producing countries there, the world is going to be far different than we know it now. I look for more ISIS inspired home grown terrorism to ramp up in the Western countries. Get ready for Sharia.

Laughably wrong.

[Dystopia]

I think we stop exporting American bombs to brown-skinned countries, and let the locals handle this.

The grey area on the map that represents the conquered territories now controlled by ISIS, are  the locals. If ISIS continues to expand, unchecked, especially if they conquer the oil producing countries there, the world is going to be far different than we know it now. I look for more ISIS inspired home grown terrorism to ramp up in the Western countries. Get ready for Sharia.

Grow up, Islamic terrorist groups don't have the power or military logistics to invade the west. Are you afraid to lose the oil? 

[abaris]

It certainly appears so, and with their sights on expanding to every corner of the world in "due time" perhaps it's something we need to take far more seriously than we presently do.

Yeah, sure. I watch out for them cutting the next corner in my hometown.

I haven't the exact figures with sources right now, but according to the highest estimates, ISIL has somewhere between 20- and 30.000 active supporters right now. Every bomb killing civilians can give these numbers a surge. It would be well to remember that from time to time.

[dyresand]

It certainly appears so, and with their sights on expanding to every corner of the world in "due time" perhaps it's something we need to take far more seriously than we presently do.

Yeah, sure. I watch out for them cutting the next corner in my hometown.

I haven't the exact figures with sources right now, but according to the highest estimates, ISIL has somewhere between 20- and 30.000 active supporters right now. Every bomb killing civilians can give these numbers a surge. It would be well to remember that from time to time.

Yeah because drone strikes won't make their forces get weaker... If the military really wanted to help those people over their they would at least think about when when and were they should strike and think of ways to reduce civilian casualties. 

[A Theist]

ISIS was once an affiliate of Al Qaeda, but the two terror groups has since parted ways. It was after Obama ordered U.S. troops to withdraw that ISIS was able to conquer and control a large area of Iraq.

You moron, Iraq is not the U.S.   The U.S. LACKS the resource, the clear end objective, and the political will to stay there for more than a few years.   What allowed ISIS to thrive was:

1.  U.S. Political simpletons out of the most naive reasons shattered the long standing and functioning secular social and security structure in Iraq, leaving a vacuum with the ironic notion that voting in a society without any tradition or sense of humanistic outlook will somehow take care of it.

2.  U.S. military simpletons had no notion whatsoever that war and politics is a unbreakable, undelineable continuum in the middleeast,  and had no notion that it could never win the political war there, and therefore all military success is and would forever be irrelevant.


Basically, Iraq was a sorry looking prison ship under saddam, but it was more or less watertight.   The U.S. went in and blew out the bottom of the ship, and thought somehow the ship would float when the chains came off of the prisoners.   Well, some prisoner bailed, not very hard, and some stabbed eachothers, hard. The ship started to take on water, The U.S. shouted "if everyone would stop stabbing eachother and bail, I would leave". Everyone said "good bye".  The U.S. left.

Everyone went right back to stab eachother, and this time even fewer people thought about bailing.    Now A-theist, dumb as a post, is arguing it is all Obama's fault for not making the U.S. stand hip deep in water and bail all by ourselves forever.