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Ten facts you never knew about Muhammad's religion (lol)
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RE: Ten facts you never knew about Muhammad's religion (lol)
(May 27, 2015 at 8:56 am)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: It's all very well saying the Quran plagiarised the work of poets but I need examples. If I go up to a believer and say that they will want proof. which poems? Which poets?

The Quran is very repetitive I've found. This should negate the fact that it's a beautiful text. Sometimes the same verse is repeated ten times I've found.

They will say the Quran was remembered perfectly in people's heads so it doesn't matter that it wasn't written down. They say that if all copies were destroyed, unlike any other text, people will remember it because it's so perfect. Obviously they've never heard of the Vedic Chants - which the United Nations considers an oral masterpiece.

But that's besides the point. Where can I find the evidence that the Quran has multiple authors that will cause doubt in the mind of the believer? The believes know that the Quran is written in so many different styles and they say that's part of what makes it beautiful.

The Quran was originally written in Kufic script correct? Not many people know the first Qurans lacked diacritical marks and this is important I feel. I told this to a believer and they were still adamant the Quran has never changed.

Well, unless if you read and understand Arabic poetry you will be able to analyse the Quranic text. First you must understand how does Arabic poetry rhymes, then you go back to the Quran, specifically to the chapters which contains less than 30 verses for instance. Also with the large chapters as well. It depends.

So, what you have to do is rearrange the whole chapter into a form of a poem, then you will discover that the last letter of the last word of each verse 'rhymes' with the 'next verse', and the 'verse after' and the 'verse after' that. 

This is the law for the Arabic poetry rhyming and it has been in use during Muhammad's life time. Most importantly the last letter of the last word must 'rhymes' with the last letter of the last word in the next verse.

Quran is written in poetic structure, thus it is easy to memorize, almost like the Psalms of David. The Kufic typography is originated back in the 7th or 8th century in Iraq, but it is very interesting that the Kufic manuscript has letter variations, does not resembles nowadays final manuscript. 

True, the 'diacritical marks' were added centuries later after Muhammad's death, basically by a poet. Maybe between 15th and 19th century, the Quran had been modified many times, we cannot assume that the Quran we have today is the ultimate word of God.
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RE: Ten facts you never knew about Muhammad's religion (lol)
(May 27, 2015 at 9:05 am)paulpablo Wrote: I knew that dawah mans videos were stupid but some of these statements are ridiculous. 

One of these guys is actually saying when Islamic charity laws were implemented in the past no one was poor in the world.  First of all Islamic laws were never implemented world wide, secondly even if they were I'm almost certain there still would have been poor people.

In the video they are referring to the Islamic Banking system as well. That most Islamic banks in the Middle East do not charge interest. 

I am not sure if its' true but maybe at one point there was a time were during the Islamic period people lived in total happiness, their lands were flourished with goods, no hate, no wars, in total peace. The ruler was just and he used to help out everyone even the poor.  
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