Responding to "Homosexuality is wrong, the same way incest is wrong"

[GenericAthiest]

Well by wrong I would assume you mean morally wrong.

Well why is incest morally wrong?. If two consenting adults want to engage in sexual intercourse who are related what morality are they violating?

Same Hariss says that we can get our morals from science, and maybe he is right. Maybe the only reason people say that incest is morally wrong is because of the birth defects that come from incest copulation.

Imo why we don't like homosexuality is because if there where too many homosexuals the human species would be in danger of not being able to carry on our genes....this Is why I think human beings are not open to homosexuality....because its ingrained in us to be against it.

I however have nothing morally against homosexuality, but maybe during ancestral times homosexuality was a real danger.
I don't know.

However human species are enough numbers that homosexuality and incest copulation poises no real danger anymore.

[LostLocke]

Imo why we don't like homosexuality is because if there where too many homosexuals the human species would be in danger of not being able to carry on our genes....this Is why I think human beings are not open to homosexuality....because its ingrained in us to be against it.

It may be ingrained in us, but I think it's environmental learning and not genetic. Homosexual acts occur in other animals all the time without repercussions from other members of that species. Plus, if concern for population growth was the basis to 'fear' homosexuals then we should be just as 'afraid' of straights who never reproduce.

[GenericAthiest]

Imo why we don't like homosexuality is because if there where too many homosexuals the human species would be in danger of not being able to carry on our genes....this Is why I think human beings are not open to homosexuality....because its ingrained in us to be against it.

 We can't fear the straights who wont reproduce because we don't know which ones will ultimately produce and which ones wont.

It may be ingrained in us, but I think it's environmental learning and not genetic. Homosexual acts occur in other animals all the time without repercussions from other members of that species. Plus, if concern for population growth was the basis to 'fear' homosexuals then we should be just as 'afraid' of straights who never reproduce.

[Tolerant_America]

Technically speaking, the Abrahamic faiths believe that an incestuous family populated the Earth, twice (Adam & Eve's descendants, Noah's family). I guess incest isn't too bad if that's the case... :P

[Pyrrho]

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Imo why we don't like homosexuality is because if there where too many homosexuals the human species would be in danger of not being able to carry on our genes....this Is why I think human beings are not open to homosexuality....because its ingrained in us to be against it.

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Prohibitions on homosexuality are purely cultural.  The ancient Greeks were totally fine with it.  Being bisexual was considered normal.

However, it is prohibited in Christianity, and so it is a value that has been engrained in cultures that have been infected with that pernicious superstition.

[GenericAthiest]

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Imo why we don't like homosexuality is because if there where too many homosexuals the human species would be in danger of not being able to carry on our genes....this Is why I think human beings are not open to homosexuality....because its ingrained in us to be against it.

Was bisexual

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Prohibitions on homosexuality are purely cultural.  The ancient Greeks were totally fine with it.  Being bisexual was considered normal.

However, it is prohibited in Christianity, and so it is a value that has been engrained in cultures that have been infected with that pernicious superstition.

Was everyone really bisexual, that's really interesting.

[Pyrrho]

Prohibitions on homosexuality are purely cultural.  The ancient Greeks were totally fine with it.  Being bisexual was considered normal.

However, it is prohibited in Christianity, and so it is a value that has been engrained in cultures that have been infected with that pernicious superstition.

Was everyone really bisexual, that's really interesting.

I doubt that everyone was, but it was the norm.  Basically, a young gentleman would often become the lover of his (male) mentor, and, when older, he would be expected to marry and produce children.  The man may have a younger male lover while married, and he may visit female prostitutes as well.  Sexual fidelity was not a requirement for men in ancient Greece.  It was not always a requirement for women, either, as in Sparta, sometimes the men would be gone for long periods of time fighting in some war (they sometimes hired out as mercenaries when they were not fighting for themselves), so you might have your friend who stayed home help produce children for you by having sex with your wife.  There are also instances of lesbianism (the word "lesbian" comes from the ancient Greeks, as there is an island called "Lesbos" from which "lesbian" is derived, due to the lesbian poetry of Sappho, who was from Lesbos).

A lot of people today in Christian countries have a hard time imagining nonChristian cultures and their norms.  But you can read Plato's Symposium and get a little bit of the idea, as it is a dialog in which a group of men are discussing love.

Indeed, one of the great things about reading ancient Greek texts is that they predate Christianity and consequently have no Christian influence in them at all.  It gives a very different perspective on things, that in many instances is quite refreshing.

You can also read the article here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual...ent_Greece

Ancient Greece is not the only culture that has embraced homosexuality and bisexuality, but it is a very good example.  Some of the history of this is discussed at the following link, with links at the link leading to more detailed information on specific cultures:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality

[IanHulett]

I'm fine with incest as long as you're consenting adults. I sort of have no choice, since I think it was my great great grandparents who were second cousins. Even if I weren't an indirect result of incest, I'd still be fine with it. As long as you aren't trying to have kids through sex. In an incestuous relationship, it's better and safer to adopt.

lol this picture:

[Losty]

I don't see why trying to have children would make it any less moral.

[Pyrrho]

I'm fine with incest as long as you're consenting adults. I sort of have no choice, since I think it was my great great grandparents who were second cousins. Even if I weren't an indirect result of incest, I'd still be fine with it. ...

I don't think second cousin marriage is considered incest in most places.  See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_regarding_incest