Responding to "Homosexuality is wrong, the same way incest is wrong"

[Iroscato]

There has been a rather strong correlation between those most vocal about homosexuality being "wrong" and being discovered to be deep in the closet, shoving a clothes hanger up another guy's arse.

THANKS ROB, HAD GONE WHOLE DAY WITHOUT TRAUMATISING MENTAL IMAGERY. NEEDED DAILY FIX.

[Losty]

It's not as dangerous as most people think it is.

Did you hear about the father and his daughter who went out drinking?  It wasn't Lot and one of his girls.  When they got home they ended up naked together in the bed.  The woman's husband comes home and finds them actually sleeping so he raises a ruckus.  The father gets mean and stabs the husband in the back.  The woman thinks that she might have been been auditioning for the role of one of Lot's daughters.
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2015/09/08/p...er-in-law/

That's umm....weird

[jeebusmubummed]

If its 2 consenting adults I don't care but in the case of incest, it wouldn't be advisable to procreate and it poses a delemna to me whether I even think incestuous procreation should be legal. Homosexuals cant procreate with each other but merely enjoy each others company. I say whats the harm in that? In fact It it could be argued a homosexual relationship is a more pure form of love than a hetero one as it eliminates one potential ulterior motive (procreation) and possibly another depending on where u live (marrying for someones money) People who argue against homosexual relationships are doing so with no basis in logic in the first place so I wouldnt waste your time especially when theyre dumb enough to equate it with incest. Apples and oranges.

[FatAndFaithless]

If two consenting adults want to bone I don't care who they are. I even don't really get swayed by the 'birth defects' arguments either since we don't, and wouldn't, create laws against two people having sex that have disabilities or the genetic inclination for birth defects.

The only reservation I would have is in a parent-child situation (a child whose of consenting age) because of the power relationship and the risks of the influence of the parent as an authority figure during the son/daughter's childhood.

[phil-lndn]

i like the "no victim / no crime" argument used by the gay lib movement.

an argument that there is a victim in the case of heterosexual incest is valid if the couple have a mis-formed baby due to inbreeding (the baby is the victim), and i guess there is always a risk of this occurring in an incestuous heterosexual relationship

i guess however (since there is no risk of inbreeding) there is no such ethical argument against homosexual incest.

a more interesting moral argument for me is to consider the morality of sadomasochism in the situation that (a) physical harm occurs but (b) it was consensual. it opens interesting questions on the topic of whether a human is always in a position to give consent that's truly in their interests and whether or not society should intervene if this isn't the case.

[robvalue]

Monitoring what goes on in adults' bedrooms is going to be problematic, especially if all parties are perfectly happy with it and not complaining to anyone.

The idea of bodily autonomy is an interesting one though, for sure. I'm not up on the details, but I remember hearing people have less legal rights regarding their own body than you might expect. Probably varies in different countries of course.

Just a heads up, this thread was over 30 days old and it's generally discouraged to bring one like this "back from the dead". You can always start a new topic about it, which is preferred. You should get a red warning sign in old threads to this effect when you start to reply to one.

[account_inactive]

I couldn't care less who you want to fuck. What happens in the bedroom of consenting adults is nobody else's business.

[robvalue]

No that's fine, now it's dug up we might as well play with it

Was just letting the new guy know for future reference.

[account_inactive]

No that's fine, now it's dug up we might as well play with it

Was just letting the new guy know for future reference.

Ah, okay then!

[Losty]

i like the "no victim / no crime" argument used by the gay lib movement.

an argument that there is a victim in the case of heterosexual incest is valid if the couple have a mis-formed baby due to inbreeding (the baby is the victim), and i guess there is always a risk of this occurring in an incestuous heterosexual relationship

i guess however (since there is no risk of inbreeding) there is no such ethical argument against homosexual incest.

a more interesting moral argument for me is to consider the morality of sadomasochism in the situation that (a) physical harm occurs but (b) it was consensual. it opens interesting questions on the topic of whether a human is always in a position to give consent that's truly in their interests and whether or not society should intervene if this isn't the case.

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