Supreme Court Same Sex Marriage Argumet

[The Grand Nudger]

You know, it doesn't really bother me that you hold this opinion, Ace....it bothers me that you refuse to own it. Go argue against pedos..specifically, and stop arguing against marriage equality. Or, and I know this is revolutionary, just accept that marriage equality really grinds your gears.

If polygamy is accepted then polygamy is accepted..whats the problem? If polygamy were acceptable (it isn;t?) then you';d what....go get some extra husbands? If incest is accepted then incest is accepted, whats the problem? You'd diddle your siblings?

I'm starting to think you have a loooooong shitlist.../w a heavy focus on the sex that other people are having.

[Minimalist]

Be that as it may, the Appeals Court in Kentucky has just told that religious fucktard of a county clerk to start issuing gay marriage licenses.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/court-or...us-ruling/

Court orders defiant Kentucky clerk to issue same-sex marriage licenses in compliance with SCOTUS ruling

The clerks could face jail time if they continue to refuse to issue the licenses after Wednesday’s court ruling.

You know, there would be a certain justice in having these motherfuckers learn about prison sex the hard way!

[Losty]

But you can't say no to other people about things [u]that don't concern you[/u].

If you only react to things that only concern you, by definition does that not make you selfish.  

Selfish: 1. Devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one's own interest, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others. "

"Selfishness is blind"-Gandhi

It is wrong to ask others to be just as selfish as you when wanting others to only take action/address things that only concern them.  One, it is common but wrong to assume that you have knowledge of what are concern's of another. Two, one’s level of being selfish may not be the same for another. {You personal have no knowledge what so ever of what my ties to the homosexual community I have. Whether it is personal, professional or mutual.}

It's not about beliefs, ideas, or views).. . .to think anyone gives any fucks about your beliefs. We don't. No cares what you believe so long as you're not using your beliefs to restrict someone else's rights

I think you misunderstood the team belief in how I was using it.
I am not using belief as in religion but as ideology/sentiment. . "that what you feel/thing/view to be''?

You can think whatever you want about it. So long as you're not harassing anyone that you have.

I agree, but want is considered harassment? Who decides that? And what if I fell that your post are harassing to me

or trying to deny them rights

I have not ejected the idea for any one's rights to be taken away. On the contrary I want true equality just as much you, perhaps more. Before the ruling, the restrictions of two people only, non-incest, adult age, of free will and sound of mind to enter into marriage were, and still are today, applied to ALL who marry. Even the restriction of opposite sex only, all marriages had to be heterosexual this to was also marriage applied equally to both heterosexuals, bisexual, , asexual, homosexuals, any and all type of sexual preferences had this requirement placed on them. One self-identifying a sexual preference was never an issue of obstacle to marry.

In fact many bisexuals, trans, hetero, and even homosexuals had agreed to this requirement by engaged in an opposite sex marriage. (Thus, to marry was always present for the homosexual to act upon. Never was it denied them.)

Even now, after the ruling equal rights is still what I articulate for. Now marriage has elevated those who are in this institution to be seen as one of dignity and security with benefits. Creating second-class citizens of all who are not married. This is no different from Civil Unions V. Marriage which was rule unconstitutional because it created a second class citizen (civil unions were not viewed as marriages but something different) and allocated different rights between the two groups.

This discrimination is still present but has now been created between the married and non-married: asexual, heterosexual and homosexuals signals who are also signal parents, or cohabitation parents. Who are not legally classified as a dignified class or granted little to no a benefits. This is classic separate and unequal in legal and social classification as well as financial, insurance or spousal benefits. Yes to this I call discrimination.

You must feel pretty special

Not at all. But I do know that I live in a democratic nation that gives its citizen's rights, such as the right of free speech. Free speech constitute that which is vertebral, written, expression, and action.

Like I said, no one gives any fucks about your beliefs, religious or otherwise. You can't restrict people from doing things unless you have a valid reason. There is no valid reason to restrict anyone from marrying someone of the same sex. If you have one, let's hear it.

[Ace]

Pedophilia is still illegal in all the countries where gay marriage has been legalized for a long time.

Hmm will the are country's were the age of consent is 14, soon. France has just recently change its law to 15/16 because of all the under age marriage occurring in the immigrant Muslim community in the country.

But Ture. Yet it I was addressing the push to legalize it. Which I take it you do not read much international news, because there is push to legalize pedophilia very much in Eroup.

Germany: The New republic News
German Green for the past year and a half, investigators commissioned by the party have been probing its past associations    with pro-pedophilia groups, and their report has been shocking to many Germans. It found that the German “pedosexual movement,” which advocated the legalization of “consensual” sex between adults and children, found a surprisingly warm reception in the party in the 1980s


Australia: RT Question More New
Australian judge says incest, pedophilia ‘may be accepted’ by society
[url=http://www.rt.com/news/171868-australia-judge-incest-homosexuality

Netherlands: The Daily Best
Judges in the Netherlands have ruled that an organization that wants to legalize pedophilia can continue to exist. The group has been fighting a legal battle with the country’s Public Prosecution Service which has been seeking its dismantling since 2010.


Candida: Northern Colorado Gazette Newspaper
Two psychologists in Canada declared that pedophilia is a sexual orientation just like homosexuality or heterosexuality. During a hearing by Parliament, “Pedophiles are not simply people who commit a small offense from time to time but rather are grappling with what is equivalent to a sexual orientation just like another individual may be grappling with heterosexuality or even homosexuality.”
[url=http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=11517

How do you KNOW that acceptance of gay people will lead to acceptance of pedophilia?  Or are you making assumptions?

“There is not earthly way of knowing which we are going. Is it raining? is it poring? is a hurricane a blowing?" – Gein Hackman, Willy Wonka.

I do not know any more than one who clams that  it will not. That is the damn point.

However, my “assumptions” have more tangible facts that have occurred then someone just saying “acceptance of gay people will lead to acceptance of pedophilia.

- Now as stated numinous times court cases are being filed for the right to pedophilia to be less restrictive or done away with.

-The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
Defines pedophilia not only as a sexual orientation that is s an intense and recurrent sexual interest in prepubescent children. (it has been said that this statement will be correct soon but has yet to be) Yet in July 2010, Harvard Health Publications declared: “Pedophilia is a sexual orientation and unlikely to change. Treatment aims to enable someone to resist acting on his sexual urges.”


-Northern Colorado Gazette newspaper
Pedophilia has already been granted protected status by the Federal Government. The Matthew Shephard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act lists “sexual orientation” as a protected class; however, it does not define the term.
[url=http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=11517]http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=11517

-California’s Pedophilia Is A Sexual Orientation Under CA Bill:  
Congresswoman, Rep. Jackie Speier CA (D), wants to federalize a state law to prohibit counseling to change a person’s sexual orientation. That doesn’t sound that extreme, but pedophilia is a sexual orientation according to this bill as well.

-WND News report:
 previously reported laws in states such as California and New Jersey barring so-called “gay” conversion therapy could actually prevent mental health professionals from offering counseling to pedophile given its new classification as a sexual orientation.


The Federal Government under the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act:[/u]
Has also already granted “protected status” for pedophilia and pedophiles, along with the listing “sexual orientation” as a “protected class.”
After Republicans tried to amend this act by saying “pedophilia is not covered as an orientation,” Democrats shut the amendment down, Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-Fl) making the case that no American should live in fear because of who they are, including pedophiles
[url=http://www.inquisitr.com/2209566/pedophile-rights-austin-texas-city-council-member-likens-pedophilia-to-homosexuality-in-wake-of-legalized-gay-marriage/#D8OtzfWUOwzVwi7o.99

- Under California proposed bill, Pedophilia Is A Sexual Orientation Under CA Bill:
California Congresswoman, Rep. Jackie Speier CA (D), wants to federalize a state law to prohibit counseling to change a person’s sexual orientation. That doesn’t sound that extreme, but pedophilia is a sexual orientation according to this bill as well. Under the bill’s language, a mental health counselor could be sanctioned if there was an attempt to get a pedophile or gay individual to change his behavior or speak negatively about their behavior as it relates to sexuality.

- The Washington Post was accused of Endorses Pedophilia:
It printed an opinion of Rambold’s sentence who spent 30 days in prison after pleading guilty to raping 14-year-old, who committed suicide at age 16 . The author of the opinion stated” I find myself troubled for the opposite reason. I don’t believe that all sexual conduct between underage students and teachers should necessarily be classified as rape, and I believe that absent extenuating circumstances, consensual sexual activity between teachers and students should not be criminalized.


New Your Times article also
[url=url=http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/opinion/pedophilia-a-disorder-not-a-crime.html?

 Which makes an ass out of you and umption.

Yea that does not really work right like the assume, (makes an ass out of u and me) one is the best. Nice try thought.

 Well guess the fuck what?  It's possible that allowing Christian Churches

What up with you can bring up fuck churches and religion? Fuck that shit and I don’t fuck care. Religion has not been argued at all on my part. Although what is so fucking is funny,  is how often the proclaimed atheist on this site always bring that shit up, on a FUCK ATHEIST BLOG at that! Hell, If I did not know any better I would seriously think I am on some damn religious site with the amount of time you guy want to keep bring up fucking religion !!

Christion Churches to operate will lead to more people being scammed out of their hard earned money.  Only there's ACTUAL evidence for such a thing.  So obviously we should outlaw Christian Churches.

And if a law was to be voted to outlaw Christian Churches or do away with their tax exemption statues. You telling me that you would  vote yes for it?

[The Grand Nudger]

Seems like you've got alot of work ahead of you, battling pedos....and yet here you remain......battling marriage equality.  Own it, Ace, own it.

[Ace]

Like I said, no one gives any fucks about your beliefs, religious or otherwise.

Another one, FUCK RELIGION!!! I HAVE NOT SAID OR EVEN MENTIONED THAT SHIT.

You can't restrict people from doing things

No Shit, I never claimed to be a King. Just discussing points of view over the issue, always have and still am.

unless you have a valid reason. There is no valid reason to restrict anyone from marrying someone of the same sex. If you have one, let's hear it.

Well, the thing is no matter what is said it will only be subject to what you think is valid. Which is already a wrong position to assume because personal I never had any intention of seeking anyone validation about my point a view.

I have always said. FUCK MARRIAGE PERIOD!!!

I DO NOT AGREE with ANY MARRIAGE period. I don't care what you’re fucking!

Yet, I who am single, have to recognize and even pay for people marriages?

All that marriage actually does is create classes between those who are not married and those who are. People have always tried to elevate this bull shit union into something that is different or better than the masses. First it was only common among people of royal blood and the nobles, then religion took it take give it its pump and ceremony in now connecting two people “to god”, to it now being an act that bestows dignity and security.

The institution has been and is still trying to remain a thing for the elite’s. It still, even today, is given dignity, tax breaks, and benefits. Yet, we who do not wish to marry or are not married, what do we receive? We are not given an elites statues, tax breaks, and benefits from either the state or the federal governments?!!This also includes signal parents or cohabiting couples.

Are we no longer citizens? Are we to be counted as only a 3/5th of a person? Many will say no, and yet not one of those “marriage only goods” is being given to use. So who is being treated unfairly here? Who is being denied here of the 14th amendment right of equal protection and due process under the law?

You may also say that there is a different? I ask you what is that differences? We have established that marriage is not procreated concentric, or that marriage is not needed to have children, any legal authority that your partner has in marriage can also be granted though power of attorney or a will in testament. Hell, civil unions have proven that everything that is assumed to be “tied” to only marriage can be given outside of marriage. Laws can also be implemented to grant/fix any issue that relationship may face that is in need of legal protection. So why do we have marriage? Why are “certain” right, exemption and benefits even given to marriages?

Because two people stood before someone who dress like the damn KKK, say a bunch of bull shit words that don't mean shit because anyone can just get a divorce and leave, which is more than likely going to happen in the ending, (Even that the people have to pay for you fucks to divorces by pay for the damn court and judge) That and that only is what grants the bestowing of dignity? What makes you a couple? Gives you privileges and benefits? That action?

NO WAY !!!

If you want the world to know that you make a fake promise to someone then put in the damn paper, billboard, internet, and the many other ways to speak to the mass. But don't make the state and the people of that state have to give marriage only privileges of fucking dignity, pay and given you damn benefits so you can feel happy and less shameful inside.

Look At my position this way, the people’s money goes to pay for the religious who have tax exempt status? But why, because you hear voices telling you that it is God? I am not even a member of 99.999999% of the religious that receive this exemption. Yet, I have to pay for it?? Hey you want your building where you can see your god, fine but don't ask me to recognize that you are someone “special” because you speaking to someone invisible and don't ask me to pay for your crazy shit also. Same with Marriage period!! I am not in the damn marriage so I could give a shit who you are fucking, so don't ask me to recognize your personal fuck buddy, and don’t ask me to pay for your marriage also, hell I am not even getting anything out of it for the part I am in.

No, it is marriage that is asking not for rights or equality, it is asking for privileges!! It is marriage that is trying to keep the elite class separated and treated/viewed differently than rest of the non-marring people. That is not equality or rights, which I am very much for!!!!!! Those for marriage are actually not for fully and equal equality and same rights to everyone.

[Ace]

Seems like you've got alot of work ahead of you, battling pedos....and yet here you remain......battling marriage equality.  Own it, Ace, own it.

What do you mean own it. . .I have said it a number of time, I do not agree with the ruling or with any marriages. Ok.

[The Grand Nudger]

So what if you don't agree to marriage?  Pro-tip...don't get married.  Others will make a similar choice for themselves, similarly empowered to do so as you are, though they may ultimately arrive at a different decision than you. Problem solved, next?

[Ace]

He's not making a legal decision, here.  He is merely officiating at an administrative action.

This bullshit about how religious shitwits get to say what they will and won't do because of their fucking superstitions has to end.

Do your fucking job or quit.

You know, it doesn't really bother me that you hold this opinion, Ace....it bothers me that you refuse to own it.  Go argue against pedos..specifically, and stop arguing against marriage equality.  Or, and I know this is revolutionary, just accept that marriage equality really grinds your gears.

If polygamy is accepted then polygamy is accepted..whats the problem?  If polygamy were acceptable (it isn;t?) then you';d what....go get some extra husbands?  If incest is accepted then incest is accepted, whats the problem?  You'd diddle your siblings?  

I'm starting to think you have a loooooong shitlist.../w a heavy focus on the sex that other people are having.

Sorry I have not gotten to this post. I will answer it by tonight.
Working take's time.

[Divinity]

The age of consent is lower, but what the fuck is wrong with that? That's not endorsing pedophilia. Teens have sex. I was young when I had sex for the first time. It wasn't that long ago that the age of consent int his country was much younger. In fact it was younger than 12. Gay marriage wasn't legal then.

Funny you bring up Germany, because Germany doesn't allow gay marriage!

Two psychologists in Canada? HOLY FUCK! Alert the presses. Call me when it's actually legalized in these places, instead of worrying about what MIGHT Happen if you allow people of the same gender to get married (even though it has ZERO TO DO WITH IT AS EVIDENCED BY YOU BRINGING UP GERMANY!)

"I dont' know! That's the point". So basically you want to prevent people from getting married because it MIGHT do something. Too fucking bad.

Someone clearly hasn't seen enough Samuel L Jackson movies.

I'd definitely vote to take away tax exemption status of churches. It's about damn time for that. I wouldn't outlaw them just because something MIGHT happen because I'm not a fucking idiot who's worried about what might happen if people do things that I don't agree with.

Not to mention that you can fight Pedophilia without fighting gay marriage. To say otherwise is fucking stupid. But I shouldn't be surprised.

"Oh, no. If we allow gay marriage, we might start allowing pedophilia. Nevermind that one does not require the other, because that'd be stupid. I can't just fight pedophilia because I'm a fucking moron."