Antitheist Ex-Marine To Hold Draw Muhammad Rally in AZ Friday

[DeistPaladin]

Given the location, I'd had a lot more sympathy for an "antitheist" if he would hold a "draw Jesus" event simultaneously.

Hey, what could go wrong?

When you blaspheme Christianity, Christians whine about being oppressed. Not much could go wrong with that one, unless you really hate the sound of whimpering self-pity. 

[abaris]

When you blaspheme Christianity, Christians whine about being oppressed. Not much could go wrong with that one, unless you really hate the sound of whimpering self-pity. 

You know, the guys at Charlie Hebdo made fun of everyone. Christians, jews, muslims, secular figures. They attacked hypocrisy and bigotry wherever it was found. That's something to respect and to support.

Rallies like that on the other hand are meant to provoke reactions from a single group. They're on the same line as the Achmadinejad draw the Holocaust contest. Some low lifes wanting to express their personal hatred with the hatred being the only message.

[Minimalist]

Not much came of it.  A lot of shouting.  The cops did a good job keeping the two sides apart.

Now the city should send that nazi fuck a bill for the costs.

[Brakeman]

Rallies like that on the other hand are meant to provoke reactions from a single group. They're on the same line as the Achmadinejad draw the Holocaust contest. Some low lifes wanting to express their personal hatred with the hatred being the only message.

No, the rallies are a defiance from the provocation by Muslims who are killing people all over the world because their book is popularly interpreted to spread and occupy by violence. In the same way our grandparents poked the violent nests of Fascists and Nazis, they courageously defied their threats to send the message to all that they would not be cowered, we too send a message that we will not be cowered by threats of beheadings and suicide bombings.

Muslims are comparable to Nazi's, they espouse killing the undisirables and forcing their will without respect of other's rights. Not all Nazi's in Germany killed anybody, and many were horrified to learn what other Nazi's did in their name, yet they were not protected from social wrath because they had still supported the core hatred wrapped up in niceties just as the "moderate" muslims do. The Koran is a book of hate more so than Mein Kampf. Do you condemn your grandparents for the anti-nazi posters of WW2 because it "was an expression of personal hatred?"
You take "PC-ism" too far, sometimes a pig is really a pig and a evil movement is really an evil movement, not an idea worthy of being respected with neighborly tolerance.

[abaris]

Do me a favor and replace muslim with jew, brake. And see if you would want to make that kind of blanket statement.

Counting the seconds till Deist chimes in about muslimes not being a race: So here's my proactive answer - bigots are bigots, wether they have prejudices towards the members of a bycicle club, a race or a religion. The results of blanket statements are always ugly.

[DeistPaladin]

When you blaspheme Christianity, Christians whine about being oppressed. Not much could go wrong with that one, unless you really hate the sound of whimpering self-pity. 

You know, the guys at Charlie Hebdo made fun of everyone. Christians, jews, muslims, secular figures. They attacked hypocrisy and bigotry wherever it was found. That's something to respect and to support.

Rallies like that on the other hand are meant to provoke reactions from a single group. They're on the same line as the Achmadinejad draw the Holocaust contest. Some low lifes wanting to express their personal hatred with the hatred being the only message.

Not quite. The way Muslims react to blasphemy is mostly what provokes the blaspheming. When someone forbids an expression of speech, going so far as to threaten me for saying it or doing it, it make me want to say it or do it more. That's how it works with a lot of others as well. If Muslims want people to stop blaspheming against their religion, they need to stop throwing violent temper tantrums every time it happens. 

Ever notice how the most vocal militant atheist groups crop up in the most evangelical of communities? The more religious people act like swaggering bullies, the more they draw backlash against them. Equal and opposite reaction. It's a Newtonian principle at work. 

[abaris]

Not quite. The way Muslims react to blasphemy is mostly what provokes the blaspheming. When someone forbids an expression of speech, going so far as to threaten me for saying it or doing it, it make me want to say it or do it more. That's how it works with a lot of others as well. If Muslims want people to stop blaspheming against their religion, they need to stop throwing violent temper tantrums every time it happens. 

Ever notice how the most vocal militant atheist groups crop up in the most evangelical of communities? The more religious people act like swaggering bullies, the more they draw backlash against them. Equal and opposite reaction. It's a Newtonian principle at work. 

It's not rocket science and Newton's got nothing to do with it. That's terminology wanking at work again.

It's simple bigotry and not religious criticism. The guy doesn't even try to hide the fact that he wants to make a blanket statement of hate against a certain group by his choice of T shirts. And he did that in Arizona. How gutsy is that? I guess you couldn't find any more dangerous place to make that kind of statement.

[DeistPaladin]

It's not rocket science and Newton's got nothing to do with it. That's terminology wanking at work again.

It's simple bigotry and not religious criticism. The guy doesn't even try to hide the fact that he wants to make a blanket statement of hate against a certain group by his choice of T shirts. And he did that in Arizona. How gutsy is that? I guess you couldn't find any more dangerous place to make that kind of statement.

I don't know this guy from Adam. I haven't even listened to any of his interviews. You may be right and he is a bigot for all I know.

That fully acknowledged, the recent craze of blaspheming against Islam comes as no surprise after Charlie Hebdo (whether some of the proponents are bigots or just criticizing bad ideas). People were attacked for blaspheming against Islam and consequently people want to do it more. This is just as predictable as the rise of "militant atheism" in the midst of the W Bush administration, when evangelical Christians were running around like dickheads being bullies, promoting hate and forcing their agenda through the government. And Christians wonder why there are so many atheists who are just so rude and nasty and angry and my goodness gracious why is this happening? 

Cause and effect. If Muslims want people to stop drawing cartoons, they need to stop threatening those who do.

[abaris]

Cause and effect. If Muslims want people to stop drawing cartoons, they need to stop threatening those who do.

His T-shirt pretty much says it all: "F--- Islam." Some of the counterprotesters wore shirts that said, "Love Thy Neighbor."

Directly from the CNN article. And suffice to add that the rally was held in front of the Islamic Community Center .

People like that are not fit to lick the boots of Charlie Hebdo, who creatively attack left, right and center. And I pretty much have it with cause and effect and "muslims". It's radicals who do the threatening. Even though god Harris claims there are no moderates, the majority of the 1,6 billions go about their business as usual, as can be easily checked by looking up Europol and FBI statistics.

Maybe it's my jewish descent that makes me extra sensible to the use of certain words and blanket statements about whole groups, but suffice to say, I have less of a problem with idiots bathing in their bigotry than with pseudo intellectual justifications from the top of the Ivory tower.

[DeistPaladin]

His T-shirt pretty much says it all: "F--- Islam." Some of the counterprotesters wore shirts that said, "Love Thy Neighbor."

Directly from the CNN article. And suffice to add that the rally was held in front of the Islamic Community Center .

People like that are not fit to lick the boots of Charlie Hebdo, who creatively attack left, right and center. And I pretty much have it with cause and effect and "muslims". It's radicals who do the threatening. Even though god Harris claims there are no moderates, the majority of the 1,6 billions go about their business as usual, as can be easily checked by looking up Europol and FBI statistics.

Maybe it's my jewish descent that makes me extra sensible to the use of certain words and blanket statements about whole groups, but suffice to say, I have less of a problem with idiots bathing in their bigotry than with pseudo intellectual justifications from the top of the Ivory tower.

Saying "Fuck Islam" isn't bigotry.

In fact, it's a sentiment I agree with. Fuck Islam. Fuck Islam. Fuck Islam. 

Islam is a barbaric, hateful, backward, violent, dangerous religion. There I said it. That doesn't make me a bigot because I don't hate Muslims. I hate their religion. Muslims are not their religion. They are indoctrinated and mentally enslaved by their religion. I don't hate slaves. I hate slavery. 

And I've pretty much had it with "hey, c'mon it's only the radicals who do these things." Aside from the fact that that's a cold comfort to the dead, the radicals ARE the religion. With any ideology, show me your radicals of any ideology and I'll show you what the ideology teaches in its purest form. By definition, extremists take their ideology to an extreme, meaning they don't water it down with foreign elements or weigh it down with doubts. The moderate Muslims are "sort of" Muslims. They, by definition, water down their faith with foreign elements like modernity, science and their conscience. That's what "moderate" means, by definition. 

If Islam was a religion of peace, radical Muslims would be pacifists.

Also, there's a reason why these people don't have "draw Buddha" or "draw Krishna" contests. Because Buddhists and Hindus, whether they are radical or moderate, don't kill people for drawing them. 

Action. Reaction. As predictable as a swinging pendulum. Christians act like tyrannical dickheads and thus the "militant angry atheist" movement is born. Muslims murder cartoonists for blasphemy and suddenly everybody's going out of their way to blaspheme against Islam. Don't whine "bigotry". This is just nature taking its course.