I NEED logical support...

[Cyberman]

Sorry it's a bit rough and ready. You try cropping the Peter Pan of pop out of a publicity still and then shopping him over Japan's official citizen at four o'clock in the morning.

[Whateverist]

So... I've just joined and this is my first post ever on an Atheist forum. I am an Atheist. The reason I am posting is because of an occurrence which has forced me to question my logic and I am looking for input from those who may possess a better understanding (to the degree that is possible) of these things than I do.

My grandmother was 97 years old. I had a very special bond with her, she was the relative that I inherited my intelligence from. She believed in god, but at her age, I cannot blame her for that.

She had been in poor psychical health for a long time and was in hospice for the SECOND time. Mentally, at age 97, she was 100%! She was strong proof that mental strength beats psychical strength any day. I was always convinced that she would live until she was ready to go.

Without any particular forewarning, I knew she was going to die yesterday. When she died yesterday, I knew it happened. I am serious, I am not trolling, this is not easy for me!

I struggle to understand how I could have LOGICALLY both known this was going to and did happen. I had some connection to her that was cut (or something) and I can't understand the existence of that in a logical world...  


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Your hunch was good.  Woohoo!  That and 5 bucks will get you a cup of coffee.  But enjoy the moment.

[The Inquisition]

Let's presume you have some sort of psychic powers, how would you verify it?

You would have to predict the demise of several people accurately and document it.

If you can't do this, all you have is a coincidence, not a phenomenon.

[Longhorn]

I think he up and gone now
Cause of death: ragequit

[Wyrd of Gawd]

So... I've just joined and this is my first post ever on an Atheist forum. I am an Atheist. The reason I am posting is because of an occurrence which has forced me to question my logic and I am looking for input from those who may possess a better understanding (to the degree that is possible) of these things than I do.

My grandmother was 97 years old. I had a very special bond with her, she was the relative that I inherited my intelligence from. She believed in god, but at her age, I cannot blame her for that.

She had been in poor psychical health for a long time and was in hospice for the SECOND time. Mentally, at age 97, she was 100%! She was strong proof that mental strength beats psychical strength any day. I was always convinced that she would live until she was ready to go.

Without any particular forewarning, I knew she was going to die yesterday. When she died yesterday, I knew it happened. I am serious, I am not trolling, this is not easy for me!

I struggle to understand how I could have LOGICALLY both known this was going to and did happen. I had some connection to her that was cut (or something) and I can't understand the existence of that in a logical world...  


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When a person is seriously ill an astute person can almost determine to the hour when the person will die by his appearance and odor.  So from your story you observed those signs without consciously acknowledging them.

[comet]

So... I've just joined and this is my first post ever on an Atheist forum. I am an Atheist. The reason I am posting is because of an occurrence which has forced me to question my logic and I am looking for input from those who may possess a better understanding (to the degree that is possible) of these things than I do.

My grandmother was 97 years old. I had a very special bond with her, she was the relative that I inherited my intelligence from. She believed in god, but at her age, I cannot blame her for that.

She had been in poor psychical health for a long time and was in hospice for the SECOND time. Mentally, at age 97, she was 100%! She was strong proof that mental strength beats psychical strength any day. I was always convinced that she would live until she was ready to go.

Without any particular forewarning, I knew she was going to die yesterday. When she died yesterday, I knew it happened. I am serious, I am not trolling, this is not easy for me!

I struggle to understand how I could have LOGICALLY both known this was going to and did happen. I had some connection to her that was cut (or something) and I can't understand the existence of that in a logical world...   

These events happen.  Many are faked but a few are real.  My sister was having a baby.  My mom and I were sitting in our living room at home.  My mom grabbed her stomach and said "oh my she just had her baby".  If I didn't see it myself I would not have believed it.

At this point these events are not repeatable.  But entanglement suggest that it is very possible.  It's just that people take "possible" to mean they can control it.  It's kind of like "professionals" in sports, or any other field, they are actually freaks of nature and not normal.  Labron James is an example. A person with that mixture of talent happened one time in my life.  

So maybe some people are more connected than others. The data shows entanglement is real.  But it doesn't show that it can affect us on the level that my mom had.  Atheism is only a non belief in "a type of god".  It doesn't mean we ignore observations.  don't let the religous athiest tell you otherwise.

sorry man, thats the best science can do for now. we die not knowing.

[FatAndFaithless]

Many are faked but a few are real. 

Example and evidence please.

But entanglement suggest that it is very possible.

Jumping to quantum stuff, huh?

sorry man, thats the best science can do for now. we die not knowing.

Pretty sure there's absolutely no scientific evidence supporting any sort of premonition/psychic/esp events, at all.

[comet]

I am pretty sure some are fat faithless and stupid. I don't give a fuck what happened to you in your youth, I only do data, not fat shit head blind faith stances.

feel free to point out any error. or go get somebody you know that can.

[FatAndFaithless]

I am pretty sure some are fat faithless and stupid. I don't give a fuck what happened to you in your youth, I only do data, not fat shit head blind faith stances.

Well, that's nice. No idea what you're trying to imply 'happened in my youth'.

feel free to point out any error. or go get somebody you know that can.

I'm literally just asking for some examples of "actual" events of this kind of premonition or psychic phenomena or somesuch.

[robvalue]

I think the OP has logicked his way out of here some time ago.