Athiesm, religion, and drugs...

[Pippy]

I don't drink alcohol either...

It wasn't that you need SSRI's so much that going off them made you suicidal, but that going off of SSRI's makes you suicidal. I also have androgynous depression (another funnier term for it), but I refuse to medicate. Look at the people struggling with SSRI addiction, the people who were troubled but still better off before taking those pills. And then look at the studies. None I have seen can show SSRI's working above the placebo mark, and most show less performance than placebos. That is because of the side effects, lastly of course read the side effects. 'May cause compulsion to consume alcohol'. Think about how dangerous that is with a prescription medication. What about the little side effect of homicidal ideation? Or yes, the side effect that you become very dependent on them, and when you try to go off, even with a doctor, you become suicidal. Sounds like a miracle cure to me!

All drugs are bad in my book. All. Period. Although I don't count fake pig insulin as a drug. I'm sorry if you would have died without your hypertension pills, may be you should consider trying to find the root of the problem and solving it. Or you could choose to have a never ending dependent relationship with a psychoactive substance to try to allay the symptoms, and hope you don't get more side effects than you had symptoms in the first place... You're choice as a free human, but I don't understand why you're acting like I'm the idiot here...

I appreciate you in your crumugeny though

-Pip

[Dotard]

Wait... you got depressed because you have staminate and pistillate flowers in the same inflorescence?

[Pippy]

...guh?

I just don't like SSRI's, but I of course am thankful for anything that keeps Padraic here with us.

hugs are better than drugs, but hugs and drugs together, that's a winner!

[Dotard]

...guh?

I also have androgynous depression...

an·drog·y·nous  ; Botany. having staminate and pistillate flowers in the same inflorescence.

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Somehow it's just not a joke when you have to explain it.

[Violet]

Hmmm... here i thought it meant:

androgynous |anˈdräjənəs|
adjective
partly male and partly female in appearance; of indeterminate sex.
• having the physical characteristics of both sexes; hermaphrodite

I can see how it applies to botany, but it's a rather broad term

[Pippy]

I knew the sexual term, but it makes sense that it is also a botanical term.

Don't you install A/C for a living Dotard, where did you get a green thumb? It just seems out of place...

I like flowers. There is no good reason for them to be so pretty. God must love us very much.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

All drugs are bad in my book.

No offence Pip,but that takes the biscuit as the most ignorant thing I've seen you say here.


Insulin is a drug,without it many type one diabetics would simply die.

Antibiotics are drugs,without them people die from simple infections, not to mention childbirth and bone fractures where the skin is broken.

I tried non prescription drug approaches to dealing with my depression for a decade. The result; chronic alcoholism. I started my current medication only after I got sober.


Selective Serotonin Re uptake Inhibitors are taken by millions of people for depression. They work. Addictive? Not in the accepted sense,but I don't care.. I function well and am content mostly. Currently, I'm enjoying my longest period of stability (5years) in the last 35 years.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion,no matter how wrong headed. However,to encourage other people not to take prescribed medication with that stupid genralisation is in my my opinion criminally irresponsible


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SSRI addiction is a myth
10. July 2004 10:59
Up to two out of three people who come off modern anti-depressants suffer short-term withdrawal symptoms including dizziness, nausea and low mood. But it is impossible for anyone to become addicted to SSRIs, the Royal College of Psychiatrists heard yesterday.

"Worries about addiction have arisen because doctors mistake these withdrawal symptoms for continuing depression and put people back on antidepressants, instead of reassuring them that the symptoms will soon go,' Dr Peter Haddad, a psychiatrist at the Community Mental Health Centre in Manchester, told the College's annual conference. "Typically the symptoms stop immediately the drug is restarted which gives people the impression that they are addicted.

But Dr Haddad said that dependency in the sense of having a powerful urge to continue a drug, often for more gratification, does not happen with SSRIs. Antidepressants do not have street value. People do not forge prescriptions for fluoxetine. Nor do they register with multiple GPs, turn up at A&E departments to get more supplies or lie in bed craving an antidepressant,' he said. "As long as it is used widely, antidepressants have clear benefits, allowing people to get on with their lives.'

http://www.news-medical.net/news/2004/07/10/3237.aspx

[Pippy]

I appreciate that SSRI's are better than drinking for you. Maybe if I could bring myself to take them I wouldn't need to be a drug addict myself.

I already pointed out that insulin doesn't count as 'all drugs are bad'.

Antibiotics have a dark side too, antibiotic resistant TB for one example. Giving a child with a flu an antibiotic...

It's not that SSRI's are addictive in the classical sense, but that the withdrawl symptoms can be so difficult as to make it habit forming. Coming off SSRI's can be very difficult, to the point where people go back on them when they would rather quit. Not quite the same kind of addictive as other drugs, but certainly they cannot be described as they are by the royals and the corporate sponsors as 'non-habit forming'.

And then we have the diagnosis of depression, a very grey area. I am legitimately depressed. I have a disorder, a problem that causes me to have more negative and self demeaning subconscious thoughts than others. But where is the line between disability and life? A child is sad because their dog died. Is that depression or just life? Is there an amount of temporary suffering that we should be expected to deal with as humans? More often then not the parents and quack doctors try to prescribe SSRI's to said hypothetical child because they have a disorder.

When we allow the drug companies to label what may be part of human existence (on a sliding scale) as a disorder, and prescribe a seriously strong drug that may be habit forming in the sense that it can be almost impossible to quit taking it even if you want too... We have a conflict of interest.

Certainly I don't mean that I am not happy you are alive and well, or that you are not entitled to your own point of view... My own Ma has taken SSRI's for many years, and she has yet to shoot up a school.

Thanks,
-Pip

[Dotard]

Don't you install A/C for a living Dotard, where did you get a green thumb? It just seems out of place...

No Sir. I'm not just an installer. I'm a technician. I fixes 'em. Well, o.k., I will install them if the price is right.


I am gardener/landscaper by hobby. I like flowers here and there, but I tend to lean towards fruit/veggy producing plantings.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

I already pointed out that insulin doesn't count as 'all drugs are bad'.

OK, I must have missed that.

Antibiotics have a dark side too, antibiotic resistant TB for one example. Giving a child with a flu an antibiotic...

So do most drugs if misused, and you have given a splendid example of the misuse of a good drug. Influenza is caused by a virus,against which antibiotics are useless. This is a fact of which any competent doctor would be aware.

My own approach to any medication:

A packet of 25 Panadol will expire before I will use it all. I will only take any codeine based medication on prescription. I decline to take some drugs at all.EG aspirin,anti inflammatories* for my arthritis, anything containing cortisone for more than a few days.BUT, the moderator is always the severity of the condition.I consider it my responsibility to make an informed decision,weighing the advantages against the disadvantages. Every drug I take has met my personal criteria. I'm aware I will make mistakes. I do my best to minimise them.

Before I take any drug. I find out about the contra indications and any side effects ,from sources independent of drug companies if possible, because I don't trust them.


*I tried glucosamine on the advice of my doctor,for 2 years. During that time I looked in vain for independent peer reviewed studies to support the claims. I concluded teh product is a placebo.