Views on the Death Penalty? (a poll)

[25point81]

Death penalty is more expensive than life imprisonment.

I asked for evidence that capital punishment works. Have you got it?

Where's you evidence that it's more expensive to execute than to imprison for life?

I asked what you are gonna do when a murderer escapes to kill again?  I still await your answer.

[Iroscato]

Fairly outdated, but this was dug up from a bit of Google-Fu -
http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issue...nalty-cost

[Longhorn]

Improve the prison system to make escapes harder. How many prisoners do you think escape anyway?

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issue...nalty-cost

Death penalty doesn't deter criminals. Why can't you grasp that fact? It doesn't work. You're just killing more people. Is that what you want?

[Iroscato]

What would you say, 25point81, to people who would dramatically reduce the cost of the death penalty process by simply taking the condemned and hanging them, or shooting them up against a wall? It would probably work out much cheaper, after all...

[Cato]

Then society went all PC.  We got rid of the death penalty.  Crime went through the roof and penalties appeared to do the reverse.

You were saying?

[25point81]

Fairly outdated, but this was dug up from a bit of Google-Fu -
http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issue...nalty-cost

Thanks for that.  However, I live in the UK.  What I was pointing out was that we need to update our prison facilities but the appetite to spend the money isn't there.

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What would you say, 25point81, to people who would dramatically reduce the cost of the death penalty process by simply taking the condemned and hanging them, or shooting them up against a wall? It would probably work out much cheaper, after all...

Hell no.  Everyone is entitled to a fair trial.

Maybe I haven't made my point clear.

It's fine to say that caring societies don't execute criminals.

However, what is caring about a society that doesn't adequately protect its citizens from those who have already murdered?  Where's the justice for those who have been murdered by someone who has murdered before?

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Then society went all PC.  We got rid of the death penalty.  Crime went through the roof and penalties appeared to do the reverse.

You were saying?

That I live in the UK.

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Improve the prison system to make escapes harder. How many prisoners do you think escape anyway?

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issue...nalty-cost

Death penalty doesn't deter criminals. Why can't you grasp that fact? It doesn't work. You're just killing more people. Is that what you want?

Why don't you get my point?

What it does do is to ensure that a murderer doesn't escape and does it again.

[abaris]

That I live in the UK.

Scary place. I'm sure even UKIP agrees on that.

btw, crime is at it's lowest since 1981.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-stat...index.html

Scary indeed.

[Longhorn]

Why don't you get my point?

What it does do is to ensure that a murderer doesn't escape and does it again.

How many murderers, statistically, escape and murder again? I'm willing to bet that the number of victims of such murderers would be much lower than the number of people sentenced to death, hell even than the number of wrongly executed. You're killing more people, including innocents, and not preventing crime in any way.

Not to mention you're introducing systematic, institutionalized murder. This has no place in a civilized society.

[25point81]

Why don't you get my point?

What it does do is to ensure that a murderer doesn't escape and does it again.

How many murderers, statistically, escape and murder again? I'm willing to bet that the number of victims of such murderers would be much lower than the number of people sentenced to death, hell even than the number of wrongly executed. You're killing more people, including innocents, and not preventing crime in any way.

Not to mention you're introducing systematic, institutionalized murder. This has no place in a civilized society.

A dozen convicted murderers who were freed early from jail have gone on to kill again in the past decade, MailOnline can reveal today.
They served as little as eight years in prison for their first murder before being let out to do it again, sometimes within weeks of leaving custody.
One shocking case involved steroid-addict bodybuilder Douglas Gary Vinter, who was released after nine years before carrying out a carbon-copy killing on his estranged wife.

Here's the link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ecade.html

That's about 12 too many IMHO.

Try explaining that to the loved ones of those murdered.

[Longhorn]

They didn't escape. They were let out. It's the prison system's fault, and there are ways to improve it without killing people.

Also, that is one incident. Any statistics?