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What would you consider to be evidence for God?
RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
we really have no choice in being nebulous about a 'god".  the bible is the best guess of 2000 years ago in the middle east.  But today we can be much less detailed in our description of god due to the much better technology and understanding we have today.  I say "less detailed' because we now know what we don't know. well, sort of.  So all we really can say is that there is "something", "nothing", or "I don't know enough."  Then based on the list of evidence used we assign proper weights to determine what is more valid.  It might even end up being 50/50 between two of the many choices. That's ok.
 
I saw the use of dark matter as an example on how to think about it on another forum.
a) "do you believe in dark matter?"
Yes, no, and I do not know are reasonable answer today.  The is not a lot of evidence for this "dark matter". But the data does suggest something is there.  In fact, it is more reasonable to say that dark matter is "something" than to say dark matter is "nothing" causing what we see.  But we have to understand just how little "data" we have. there is not much at all.

b) versus "let me tell you what I think dark matter is."
We have absolutely no direct observations as of yet.  Nothing, nada, zilch.  But we can take some reasonable guesses even though we know nothing. 
This is where philosophy and science separate a little bit.  Philosophers can make up some axioms under the disguise of "if/then" and then follow down a line of logic.  Scientist are obligated to start at only what we do know right now.  They use "if/then" also but the 'if's" have to be what can be repeatable by anyone, anywhere, at anytime.

They look very similar and when well written can look exactly the same.  They are not. The weighted value of the axioms can be way off when comparing what we do have to what we made up even though we used the word logic.
to be continued ...
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
The Cambrian Explosion says shit all about any god, but it is a perfect example of evolutionary adaptation to an increasingly oxygen-rich environment, allowing for the emergence of multi-celled life.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
one could make the statement that the earth was/in a process of forming intelligent life. hey I like you seal mermaid line. you didn't see a mermaid, but you saw something.
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
The first question "is there dark matter" is like asking if there is a "god" or "whatever" your little heart desires.  The second statement about "I think dark matter is X - Y & Z" is religious.  The fundies, take it 10 steps further. No need for me to address that part. 
 
In relation to god, Asking if it is more reasonable to claim "there is something"  then it is to claim "there is nothing" or "I just lack a belief in something." is like stating the same about dark matter.  The evidence suggest "something", just because a person "doesn't believe" is irrelevant. and to say "I don't believe in anything anybody says is just stupid.

Claiming to know what "dark matter" is tricky.  claiming to know "what god is" is the same as "knowing" what dark matter is.  We can make some guesses and some will be more reasonable than others.  But still, something is more reasonable than nothing. This is a little more tricky because we can take some reasonable guesses about dark matter.  But they are still guesses. From the more "nebulous"  WIMPs to the straight forward gross under estimation of regular matter.  And there are crazies that will make far out and unreasonable guesses.

Like the sig that compares mermaids to seals.  "I saw something" is more reasonable.  Sure it aint no merman, but it was something.

to be continued ...
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
Even if someone with higher powers than myself came inside my room and said "hello, I am god, the man in charge of the universe". I wouldn't believe him. How do I know that "this god" is the actually head master "god" and not someone else posing as "god". Similarity, if aliens came from another planet with advanced technology people would probably say, look "they are gods"! God is real!
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
(August 26, 2015 at 3:07 pm)comet Wrote: The first question "is there dark matter" is like asking if there is a "god" or "whatever" your little heart desires.  The second statement about "I think dark matter is X - Y & Z" is religious.  The fundies, take it 10 steps further. No need for me to address that part. 
 
In relation to god, Asking if it is more reasonable to claim "there is something"  then it is to claim "there is nothing" or "I just lack a belief in something." is like stating the same about dark matter.  The evidence suggest "something", just because a person "doesn't believe" is irrelevant. and to say "I don't believe in anything anybody says is just stupid.

Claiming to know what "dark matter" is tricky.  claiming to know "what god is" is the same as "knowing" what dark matter is.  We can make some guesses and some will be more reasonable than others.  But still, something is more reasonable than nothing. This is a little more tricky because we can take some reasonable guesses about dark matter.  But they are still guesses. From the more "nebulous"  WIMPs to the straight forward gross under estimation of regular matter.  And there are crazies that will make far out and unreasonable guesses.

Like the sig that compares mermaids to seals.  "I saw something" is more reasonable.  Sure it aint no merman, but it was something.

to be continued ...
An intelligent person should know that "dark matter" is BS because there isn't a speck of it in our solar system or even in our own galaxy.  What is happening in the voids is that hydrogen is being created from quantum foam (aka as "nothing").  Once hydrogen is created in sufficient amounts it clumps together into balls due to its gravity and then ignites into stars.  The stars go on to cook up all of the other elements and the universe keeps expanding.
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
(August 15, 2015 at 11:17 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Another brick (actually maybe several bricks) has been removed from the naturalistic evolutionary model of apes and humans. Artist renditions like these have been render passé (https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=n...ion+images). A Research study* concludes that the human hand is more primitive than the knuckle-walking ape type pictured in those human evolution images; therefore the human hand dexterity didn’t evolve over time to be adapted for tool use; it was fully functional for using tools from the get-go. I’m numbering this as number ‘4’  (other 3, previously posted) reason that the naturalistic model is unable to explain the evidence while the creation model does so elegantly. Humans were created completely separate form the animals. They were created in God's image (meaning, humans have a non-physical component called the 'spirit' which gives them knowledge of God and eternal life, and had hands that could handle responsibilities over the domain of plants and animals). This study has a far-reaching effect: it cast major doubt on the whole evolutionary paradigm.
* http://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.c...c_258-FPOw

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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
(August 26, 2015 at 5:04 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
(August 26, 2015 at 3:07 pm)comet Wrote: The first question "is there dark matter" is like asking if there is a "god" or "whatever" your little heart desires.  The second statement about "I think dark matter is X - Y & Z" is religious.  The fundies, take it 10 steps further. No need for me to address that part. 
 
In relation to god, Asking if it is more reasonable to claim "there is something"  then it is to claim "there is nothing" or "I just lack a belief in something." is like stating the same about dark matter.  The evidence suggest "something", just because a person "doesn't believe" is irrelevant. and to say "I don't believe in anything anybody says is just stupid.

Claiming to know what "dark matter" is tricky.  claiming to know "what god is" is the same as "knowing" what dark matter is.  We can make some guesses and some will be more reasonable than others.  But still, something is more reasonable than nothing. This is a little more tricky because we can take some reasonable guesses about dark matter.  But they are still guesses. From the more "nebulous"  WIMPs to the straight forward gross under estimation of regular matter.  And there are crazies that will make far out and unreasonable guesses.

Like the sig that compares mermaids to seals.  "I saw something" is more reasonable.  Sure it aint no merman, but it was something.

to be continued ...
An intelligent person should know that "dark matter" is BS because there isn't a speck of it in our solar system or even in our own galaxy.  What is happening in the voids is that hydrogen is being created from quantum foam (aka as "nothing").  Once hydrogen is created in sufficient amounts it clumps together into balls due to its gravity and then ignites into stars.  The stars go on to cook up all of the other elements and the universe keeps expanding.

of course proper weighting of some predictions will be needed.
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
(August 15, 2015 at 11:17 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Another brick (actually maybe several bricks) has been removed from the naturalistic evolutionary model of apes and humans. Artist renditions like these have been render passé (https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=n...ion+images). A Research study* concludes that the human hand is more primitive than the knuckle-walking ape type pictured in those human evolution images; therefore the human hand dexterity didn’t evolve over time to be adapted for tool use; it was fully functional for using tools from the get-go. I’m numbering this as number ‘4’  (other 3, previously posted) reason that the naturalistic model is unable to explain the evidence while the creation model does so elegantly. Humans were created completely separate form the animals. They were created in God's image (meaning, humans have a non-physical component called the 'spirit' which gives them knowledge of God and eternal life, and had hands that could handle responsibilities over the domain of plants and animals). This study has a far-reaching effect: it cast major doubt on the whole evolutionary paradigm.
* http://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.c...c_258-FPOw

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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
(August 26, 2015 at 3:30 pm)GenericAthiest Wrote: Even if someone with higher powers than myself came inside my room and said "hello, I am god, the man in charge of the universe". I wouldn't believe him. How do I know that "this god" is the actually head master "god" and not someone else posing as "god". Similarity, if aliens came from another planet with advanced technology people would probably say, look "they are gods"! God is real!

Exactly. Theists wouldn't recognise god if it spat in their face. All they could do is take a gamble and guess it is the first reasonably impressive being they came across; or else risk calling God insufficiently impressive.
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