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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
August 27, 2015 at 6:42 am
(August 27, 2015 at 3:38 am)robvalue Wrote: (August 26, 2015 at 3:30 pm)GenericAthiest Wrote: Even if someone with higher powers than myself came inside my room and said "hello, I am god, the man in charge of the universe". I wouldn't believe him. How do I know that "this god" is the actually head master "god" and not someone else posing as "god". Similarity, if aliens came from another planet with advanced technology people would probably say, look "they are gods"! God is real!
Exactly. Theists wouldn't recognise god if it spat in their face. All they could do is take a gamble and guess it is the first reasonably impressive being they came across; or else risk calling God insufficiently impressive.
the first thing I would say is "I hop the aliens are friendly ...And vegans"
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
August 27, 2015 at 7:28 am
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People like Neil Degrasse Tyson not only understand the data itself he understands how to apply the data to the world around him. We, well me, I am not as smart as Neal, understand the data suggests that the claim "nothing or no higher anything and I don't care what you all say." is just less valid than claiming "something is going on far more than we understand at this point. But "nothing", "no nothing", or "more complex anything" does not match any observations ."
How we feel about this is another matter. no pun intended.
There are both logical and emotional conclusions about god. "dark matter" doesn't really have the "charged emotions" component . But if you change "religions name" to "dark matter' it would. But the claims about "god" and the claims about "dark matter" on a logical level are very similar. Something causes the light to bend like that. And We are part of a more complex system and Neil understands the observations forcing him away from atheism that stands under the flag of anti-religion.
Atheism has taken on different forms since the start of the internet. If we feel "we are sick of them pushing their myths on us" that is a different conversation and it is not only valid, it should be discussed. If one feels that "it doesn't matter if it is something" if we don't know anything about it" have a valid point also. Again, that is another topic. If a person's emotional needs force them towards "something" meaning a finger pointing, lightning bolt tossing, world ending Omni dude. That is on them and they are not being honest. That is exactly like saying dark matter must be a bowl of spaghetti that likes eating people. Although the is no direct evidence, it doesn't mean we have to be stupid. DeGrasse understands that it's a waste of time fighting manic/depressants or abuse people using logic. He is just atheist by definition with no other baggage.
to be continued ...
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
August 30, 2015 at 2:26 am
(August 25, 2015 at 8:07 am)Stimbo Wrote: The Cambrian Explosion says shit all about any god, but it is a perfect example of evolutionary adaptation to an increasingly oxygen-rich environment, allowing for the emergence of multi-celled life.
A series of oxygenation events involving biological, geological, atmospheric, and astronomical changes looks very much like an orchestrated, well-executed plan that carefully prepared a suitable habitat for humanity.* The 'book' of Nature reveals God handiwork; science reveals details of that work. The Cambrian explosion corresponds to the 5'th day of Creation. We know that it's the Biblical God, since science and scripture are in agreement; God reveals Himself primary though: 1) Record of Nature 2) Book of Scripture 3) Human Conscience.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oxygenation_Event
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
August 30, 2015 at 6:51 am
... wow. Argument from personal incredulity much?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
August 30, 2015 at 12:43 pm
A loud booming voice saying "I EXIST", and then I ask "I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 100. What number am I thinking of?" and then the loud booming voice answers correctly. In front of at least a dozen witnesses, at least three of which are atheist.
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
August 30, 2015 at 1:18 pm
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I tried that with the theists on here. I have an open challenge for God to tell any one of them the four figure number I'm thinking of. Apparently God won't even do that much since no theist has even dared take a stab.
Or if he has, they have no confidence that God got it right.
Pretty lame God.
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
August 30, 2015 at 1:24 pm
The idea is that you shouldn't test god. You can ask him to find your keys, and if you find them you have to give him the credit. But you can't ask him to prove that he exists. (This is because deep down they know that their god won't pass any test, and it'd be able to disprove his existence).
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RE: What would you consider to be evidence for God?
August 30, 2015 at 1:26 pm
Personally I'd be okay with an explicit definition and a specimen that fits. Who knows, could turn out that gods are just little trolls that live under bridges.