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RE: Ask a Traditional Catholic
June 28, 2015 at 12:34 pm
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I have never understood the 'written on your heart' metaphor. Heart is a metaphor for your emotions, right? Does that mean that the laws are written in your emotional reactions?
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RE: Ask a Traditional Catholic
June 28, 2015 at 12:34 pm
(June 28, 2015 at 12:31 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: I believe the days will come (and it won't be long) before our society has descended into a level of moral darkness not known since Sodom and Gomorrah.
What exactly were the sins of "Sodom and Gomorrah"?
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RE: Ask a Traditional Catholic
June 28, 2015 at 12:34 pm
(June 28, 2015 at 12:27 pm)IATIA Wrote: So a battered spouse is level one. "Please don't beat me again. I love you!"
That is the real issue with your "loving and merciful god".
I will never be able to understand that deep rooted desire to be a slave. Even if this 'god' was loving and merciful-which he clearly isn't.
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RE: Ask a Traditional Catholic
June 28, 2015 at 12:35 pm
(June 28, 2015 at 12:30 pm)Nope Wrote: (June 28, 2015 at 11:10 am)Randy Carson Wrote: I don't, personally. But I can understand why others thought differently in times gone by.
Randy, you could understand why someone would light another human on fire and listen to them scream in agony? You are going to have to explain this to me.
The goal of killing heretics was not simply to enjoy their suffering, was it? No.
The idea was that those who led others into spiritual error endangered their eternal souls. Thus, while a murderer merely ends the temporal life of the person he kills, the heretic ends the eternal life of his "victims".
Thus, harming someone for eternity is worse than harming someone for this life only.
I do not agree with this, but I can understand the logic of it.
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RE: Ask a Traditional Catholic
June 28, 2015 at 12:36 pm
(June 28, 2015 at 12:34 pm)IATIA Wrote: (June 28, 2015 at 12:31 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: I believe the days will come (and it won't be long) before our society has descended into a level of moral darkness not known since Sodom and Gomorrah.
What exactly were the sins of "Sodom and Gomorrah"?
What do the scriptures say? How do you read it?
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RE: Ask a Traditional Catholic
June 28, 2015 at 12:36 pm
Well, since your idea of Sodom of Gomorrah is a place where people make less judgements about the things others do privately, and we have a more secular society, then I hope not.
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RE: Ask a Traditional Catholic
June 28, 2015 at 12:38 pm
(June 28, 2015 at 12:34 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: (June 28, 2015 at 12:27 pm)IATIA Wrote: So a battered spouse is level one. "Please don't beat me again. I love you!"
That is the real issue with your "loving and merciful god".
I will never be able to understand that deep rooted desire to be a slave. Even if this 'god' was loving and merciful-which he clearly isn't.
You are already a slave, dude. A slave to your own sins, passions, desires, etc. You think you are free to do as you please...but there are things that you do because you cannot help doing otherwise.
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RE: Ask a Traditional Catholic
June 28, 2015 at 12:39 pm
(June 28, 2015 at 12:31 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (June 28, 2015 at 12:24 pm)Nope Wrote: What does your comment mean, Randy? IATIA sounded pretty reasonable. You can believe what you want just don't try to pass laws based solely on your religion.
I believe the days will come (and it won't be long) before our society has descended into a level of moral darkness not known since Sodom and Gomorrah.
Then men will long for someone to teach them the ways of God, but will anyone be found who remembers?
Explain further, please. At least in the US, crime rate is dropping.
What time period do you believe is better than the one we live in now?
What do you consider moral darkness?
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RE: Ask a Traditional Catholic
June 28, 2015 at 12:40 pm
(June 28, 2015 at 12:36 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Well, since your idea of Sodom of Gomorrah is a place where people make less judgements about the things others do privately, and we have a more secular society, then I hope not.
Mike-
Why did God destroy S&G?
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RE: Ask a Traditional Catholic
June 28, 2015 at 12:43 pm
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(June 28, 2015 at 12:36 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (June 28, 2015 at 12:34 pm)IATIA Wrote: What exactly were the sins of "Sodom and Gomorrah"?
What do the scriptures say? How do you read it?
Not being hospitable and not helping the poor
Ezekiel 16
Quote:49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
I suppose this means that you are for better welfare programs aimed at helping the poor?
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