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Disproving The Resurrection By The Maximal Facts Approach
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RE: Disproving The Resurrection By The Maximal Facts Approach
June 27, 2015 at 9:28 pm
(June 27, 2015 at 9:08 pm)KUSA Wrote:
(June 27, 2015 at 7:04 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Maximal Fact #1:  It didn't happen.

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How do you know? You were not there.

Neither were the fuckheads who wrote that it did happen!
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RE: Disproving The Resurrection By The Maximal Facts Approach
June 27, 2015 at 9:29 pm
(June 27, 2015 at 9:08 pm)KUSA Wrote:
(June 27, 2015 at 7:04 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Maximal Fact #1:  It didn't happen.

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How do you know? You were not there.

I was and I can verify its lack of happening.
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RE: Disproving The Resurrection By The Maximal Facts Approach
June 27, 2015 at 10:56 pm
Being in locus is actually a pretty ridiculous requirement for determining whether something happened or happens.  No human being in history has ever been inside a star, yet we can state without fear of serious contradiction what goes on.

Similarly, I don't need to have been present in 1st century Palestine to judge the Resurrection as non-historical.  Given the number of other mythological resurrections we reject out of hand coupled with the fact that no human body that has started the decay process ('by this time he stinketh') has ever been observed to have returned to life, it is more reasonable to reject the bodily resurrection of Jesus than it is to accept it.

And it isn't much good invoking miracles - the divinity of Jesus depends largely on the miracle of the resurrection, and Jesus resurrected because he was divine.  Circular arguments - by definition - get you nowhere.

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RE: Disproving The Resurrection By The Maximal Facts Approach
June 27, 2015 at 11:11 pm (This post was last modified: June 27, 2015 at 11:12 pm by Huggy Bear.)
(June 27, 2015 at 10:56 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Similarly, I don't need to have been present in 1st century Palestine to judge the Resurrection as non-historical.  Given the number of other mythological resurrections we reject out of hand coupled with the fact that no human body that has started the decay process ('by this time he stinketh') has ever been observed to have returned to life, it is more reasonable to reject the bodily resurrection of Jesus than it is to accept it.
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I guess you missed the part in the bible where prophecy concerning the resurrection of the messiah explicitly state that his body would be raised up before it started to decay.

"For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption." - Psalm 16:10
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RE: Disproving The Resurrection By The Maximal Facts Approach
June 27, 2015 at 11:23 pm
Considering that the average body's organs start to decay within a 24-72 hour period and begins to bloat within 3 days while keeping in mind that the condition of a body that was beaten and crucified isn't exactly average to begin with.... yeah. Pretty sure there was some decay going on. Twit.
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RE: Disproving The Resurrection By The Maximal Facts Approach
June 28, 2015 at 12:55 am
(June 27, 2015 at 11:11 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(June 27, 2015 at 10:56 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Similarly, I don't need to have been present in 1st century Palestine to judge the Resurrection as non-historical.  Given the number of other mythological resurrections we reject out of hand coupled with the fact that no human body that has started the decay process ('by this time he stinketh') has ever been observed to have returned to life, it is more reasonable to reject the bodily resurrection of Jesus than it is to accept it.
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I guess you missed the part in the bible where prophecy concerning the resurrection of the messiah explicitly state that his body would be raised up before it started to decay.

"For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption." - Psalm 16:10

Then either Psalm 16:10 is wrong (and therefore not a prophecy) or Jesus was not the messiah, since (as SD pointed out) a body dead for three days is going to be at least partly decayed.

So, which way will you have it:  Is the Psalm wrong, or are the NT accounts in Mark and Matthew both wrong?

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RE: Disproving The Resurrection By The Maximal Facts Approach
June 28, 2015 at 12:57 am
But what if the body was sealed off in a glass coffin and covered in wax?
I can't remember where this verse is from, I think it got removed from canon:

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RE: Disproving The Resurrection By The Maximal Facts Approach
June 28, 2015 at 1:00 am
(June 28, 2015 at 12:57 am)Exian Wrote: But what if the body was sealed off in a glass coffin and covered in wax?

We talking Jesus or Snow White here? I'm getting my fairy tales mixed up. 

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RE: Disproving The Resurrection By The Maximal Facts Approach
June 28, 2015 at 1:03 am
(June 27, 2015 at 11:23 pm)Starvald Demelain Wrote: Considering that the average body's organs start to decay within a 24-72 hour period and begins to bloat within 3 days while keeping in mind that the condition of a body that was beaten and crucified isn't exactly average to begin with.... yeah. Pretty sure there was some decay going on. Twit.

You do realize that Jesus rose on the morning of the third day, so that falls well within your 24-72 hour period....
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RE: Disproving The Resurrection By The Maximal Facts Approach
June 28, 2015 at 1:03 am
(June 28, 2015 at 12:57 am)Exian Wrote: But what if the body was sealed off in a glass coffin and covered in wax?

For all we know (after all, we weren't there), the body could have been preserved in a cryotank of liquid nitrogen.

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